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Originally Posted by CraigC
Shot `em for 15yrs and wouldn't mind if I never saw another. Most overrated pistol in existence. Terrible grip angle and shape, coarse plastic sights and they're ugly as Pelosi. When I bought my first in 1991, there were scant comparable options. So many better options available today.

In esthetics and comfort in the hand, perhaps, but not better in any other sense. As for the sights, the plastic ones are place holders. You're supposed to pick the sights you want and install them.

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Originally Posted by CraigC
Shot `em for 15yrs and wouldn't mind if I never saw another. Most overrated pistol in existence. Terrible grip angle and shape, coarse plastic sights and they're ugly as Pelosi. When I bought my first in 1991, there were scant comparable options. So many better options available today.


Pretty much sums up my thoughts too. Loving the PPQ M2.


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I have nothing bad to say about the PPQ, either. I used to have the M1 version, with the European style mag release. Nice guns. I will note, however, that roll pins are involved in a detail strip on them. The Glock is designed so it can be detailed stripped, parts replaced, and reassembled easily, no roll pins.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Shot `em for 15yrs and wouldn't mind if I never saw another. Most overrated pistol in existence. Terrible grip angle and shape, coarse plastic sights and they're ugly as Pelosi. When I bought my first in 1991, there were scant comparable options. So many better options available today.

In esthetics and comfort in the hand, perhaps, but not better in any other sense. As for the sights, the plastic ones are place holders. You're supposed to pick the sights you want and install them.


Part of the over priced BS, with glocks it’s alway “replace or work on the trigger, replace sights”. Buy a Sig they don’t need anything but Ammo.



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Shot `em for 15yrs and wouldn't mind if I never saw another. Most overrated pistol in existence. Terrible grip angle and shape, coarse plastic sights and they're ugly as Pelosi. When I bought my first in 1991, there were scant comparable options. So many better options available today.

In esthetics and comfort in the hand, perhaps, but not better in any other sense. As for the sights, the plastic ones are place holders. You're supposed to pick the sights you want and install them.


Part of the over priced BS, with glocks it’s alway “replace or work on the trigger, replace sights”. Buy a Sig they don’t need anything but Ammo.

Nowadays, you can order your Glock with several options in sights. You don't have to buy the ones with the plastic sights installed. The triggers are great from the factory.

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I had a class last summer with a Glock shooter on either side of me. One female and one male and both of them had malfunctions consistently throughout the class. It happens...

As Hickok45 says, there are some people, no matter what auto pistol you put in their hand, they will have malfunctions with them.



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I had a class last summer with a Glock shooter on either side of me. One female and one male and both of them had malfunctions consistently throughout the class. It happens...

As Hickok45 says, there are some people, no matter what auto pistol you put in their hand, they will have malfunctions with them.



Your hero Hickok45

My hero?? He's a popular YouTuber who reviews guns in a lighthearted and entertaining way. Do you have an issue with him? I mean, I don't like his strong support of the NRA. I'd rather he support GOA, but that's the only criticism I can think of for the guy.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Originally Posted by MOGC
I had a class last summer with a Glock shooter on either side of me. One female and one male and both of them had malfunctions consistently throughout the class. It happens...

As Hickok45 says, there are some people, no matter what auto pistol you put in their hand, they will have malfunctions with them.



Your hero Hickok45

My hero?? He's a popular YouTuber who reviews guns in a lighthearted and entertaining way. Do you have an issue with him? I mean, I don't like his strong support of the NRA. I'd rather he support GOA, but that's the only criticism I can think of for the guy.



You bring him up a lot.



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Ugly but dependable work mule.


Yep. You wore out that .45 I sent you yet ?🤠


LOL, lord no, I only have maybe 500 rounds through it, I will say the trigger is getting smoother with use, hell, I haven't even been able to break loose and go shooting with TWR and his buds over in Ada, I should know better by now than to try and schedule ANY fun this time of year. grin


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I do not like locks ergonomics, but I love their reliability. I have modified a few to my likings and some are stock. I shoot them well enough that I have no reservations putting them in my waistband. That being said they are just as reliable as my Sig’s HK’s s&w’s and others. They are a very reliable platform.

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Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

My hero?? He's a popular YouTuber who reviews guns in a lighthearted and entertaining way. Do you have an issue with him? I mean, I don't like his strong support of the NRA. I'd rather he support GOA, but that's the only criticism I can think of for the guy.



You bring him up a lot.

Really? What percentage of my posts mention him? I think the problem is that you have some issue with the guy, and can't stand his name being mentioned for some reason.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

My hero?? He's a popular YouTuber who reviews guns in a lighthearted and entertaining way. Do you have an issue with him? I mean, I don't like his strong support of the NRA. I'd rather he support GOA, but that's the only criticism I can think of for the guy.



You bring him up a lot.

Really? What percentage of my posts mention him? I think the problem is that you have some issue with the guy, and can't stand his name being mentioned for some reason.



You think? What a concept



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Weak.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by CraigC
Shot `em for 15yrs and wouldn't mind if I never saw another. Most overrated pistol in existence. Terrible grip angle and shape, coarse plastic sights and they're ugly as Pelosi. When I bought my first in 1991, there were scant comparable options. So many better options available today.

In esthetics and comfort in the hand, perhaps, but not better in any other sense. As for the sights, the plastic ones are place holders. You're supposed to pick the sights you want and install them.

That is certainly debatable. It's comical that Glockophiles are always the ones screaming that grip shape/angle is irrelevant. You realize that comfort in the hand and a more natural grip angle leads to better proficiency, right? IMHO, the steel trigger and grip safety, along with the grip size/shape, better trigger action and steel sights make the XD "better". Same for several other options available today. Like I said, I shot them for 15yrs so don't go to any great length defending your choice because I do not agree with it.

I've replaced sights on XD's too, because I wanted to. Not because I needed to ditch cheap, soft plastic.

Glock triggers are awful, even with the 2.5lb connector.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Weak.

I like the guy and enjoy his videos but do not consider him an authority or the last word on anything. I certainly wouldn't quote him as some sort of appeal to authority argument.

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Originally Posted by CraigC
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Weak.

I like the guy and enjoy his videos but do not consider him an authority or the last word on anything. I certainly wouldn't quote him as some sort of appeal to authority argument.



Summed that up nicely



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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

My hero?? He's a popular YouTuber who reviews guns in a lighthearted and entertaining way. Do you have an issue with him? I mean, I don't like his strong support of the NRA. I'd rather he support GOA, but that's the only criticism I can think of for the guy.



You bring him up a lot.

Really? What percentage of my posts mention him? I think the problem is that you have some issue with the guy, and can't stand his name being mentioned for some reason.


I know I wouldn't want that old man shooting at me. grin


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I wouldn’t want anyone shooting at me.



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Originally Posted by jwp475


I wouldn’t want anyone shooting at me.


Excuse my lame attempt at humor complimenting the old Gent on his marksmanship ; ]


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Originally Posted by CraigC
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Weak.

I like the guy and enjoy his videos but do not consider him an authority or the last word on anything. I certainly wouldn't quote him as some sort of appeal to authority argument.

Nor would I. I quoted a quip of his.

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