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Looks comparable to a 19x in size

no bushing
shorter than 4.25" barrel
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for a "custom" pistol, it over $1k cheaper than anything else from Ed, and Wilson Combat
no MIM parts, all machined

Introducing the KC9, the first model in the new Evolution series from Ed Brown. The KC9 pays homage to the Kobra Carry, which took the industry by storm nearly 20 years ago, and has now become the iconic standard for a high end custom 1911, with its revolutionary Ed Brown Bobtail®, stainless steel base, and Snakeskin treatment.

Optimized for the 9mm caliber, the KC9 inherits those same characteristics, yet is smaller, thinner, and lighter. The KC9 retains 100% 1911 controls and handling characteristics, and makes use of standard 1911 magazines, and standard 1911 grips with the Ed Brown Bobtail® cut, which are now a standard offering among major grip makers. Some parts were completely re-designed to take advantage of modern improvements such as the new external extractor, easy-to-change front sight, smaller "Tactical Edge" rear sight, fluted bull barrel, and a flat wire recoil spring system. The re-engineered slide has been shortened to 4", thinned substantially for weight reduction, and includes a unique 7-top custom cut, with special front and rear serrations. A recessed slide stop completes the package, making for the perfect custom 9mm 1911.

Completely hand built with fully machined parts, and backed by our Lifetime Warranty, with all the quality you expect from Ed Brown, but with a ground-breaking price tag of only $1895, fully equipped!

Caliber: 9mm
Barrel Length: 4"
Overall Length: 7.500"
Overall Height: 5.350"
Slide Thickness: .860"
Weight: approximately 34 ounces with an unloaded magazine inserted
Capacity 9+1

While Ed Brown staples, like the company's Snakeskin texture treatment and Bobtail design, are incorporated into the new KC9, consumers will notice that this new pistol is more-compact, thinner and lighter than previous designs. That's because the Ed Brown team optimized this 1911-style platform for the 9 mm cartridge rather than shoehorning the 9 mm into a gun designed for the .45 ACP.

The resulting Ed Brown Evolution KC9 preserves standard 1911 controls and even feels similar to the 1911 frame, thanks to the fact that the design allows for the use of standard 1911 grip panels. However, keen-eyed 1911 enthusiasts will note some improvements on the new gun, such as the new external extractor, easily changed front sight, smaller U-notch rear sight complete with a ledge-style front face, bull barrel and a flat-wire recoil spring.

The slide is cut down to an overall length of 4 inches, and excess material has been machined in order to reduce weight on the new platform. Stand-out features on the slide include a multi-faceted custom cut along the top with seven different flats. Specially designed serrations are located at the front and rear of the slide, allowing for maximum manipulation capabilities.

The gun measures 7.5 inches in length, 5.35 inches high and 1.36 inches wide. With an unloaded magazine inserted, the gun weighs 34 ounces. One of the priorities in the production of the new Ed Brown Evolution Series KC9 was to streamline production in order to offer the pistol at an affordable price. To achieve this goal, several custom features, like the recessed crown and recessed slide stop, are included with every gun, and no custom options are offered.

Since each gun is produced in a batch, the Ed Brown team is able to squeeze extra efficiency out of the process, reducing the total cost to the consumer by more than 30 percent. As part of the company's Evolution line, though, different batches of the KC9 will be produced with different features, so enthusiasts can wait until a desirable configuration emerges in the company's line. With this new process in place, the suggested retail price on the Ed Brown Evolution Series KC9 is $1,895.


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Great looking gun, but Wilson beat him by several years with their Compact.........................

Wilson's gun was not built exclusively as a 9mm though, but damn nice in that chambering.

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That's flippin' nice.

I have to admit though that I really like shooting a "full size" steel 1911 in 9mm... There's like... no recoil. And much accuracy.

I'm hanging in there with my 45's for carry, but that 9mm... My goodness, what a pleasure to shoot.

I'd give one of these Brown 9's a try if my wallet wasn't already tasked.

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If/when it's time to Pistol Whoop somethang...I want Grock capacity.

Converted most of my 1911's to Marvel Unit One's and they are simply fhuqking AMAZING.

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Marvels are skookum.

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Beautiful...and at a great price...but since my Commander in .38 Super weighs less loaded than this one does empty and it has a checkered frontstrap it will be a no-go for me...


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Here is the aluminum lighter version


The EVO CCO Lightweight is the ultimate carry gun! Our smallest, thinnest and lightest 1911 offered to date. Optimized for 9mm, the EVO-CCO9-LW retains 100% 1911 controls and handling characteristics. Built on our lightweight aluminum compact (Officer's) frame, and combined with a round butt housing and concealed carry grip safety for maximum concealability. Includes modern improvements such as the new external extractor, easy-to-change front sight, smaller "Tactical Edge" rear sight, bull barrel, and a flat wire recoil spring system. The slide is shortened to 4" and thinned substantially for weight reduction, and includes a unique 7-top custom cut, with special front and rear serrations. A recessed slide stop and slim grips completes the package.

Completely hand built with fully machined parts, and backed by our Lifetime Warranty, with all the quality you expect from Ed Brown, fully equipped for just $2295.

Caliber: 9mm
Barrel Length: 4"
Overall Length: 7.5"
Overall Height: 5"
Slide Thickness: .860"
Weight: approximately 27 ounces with an unloaded magazine inserted

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Marvels are skookum.

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Not really...they are QUITE a bit better than that.

They'll humble naysayers on the average,which is why I scope them.

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Why?

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Because folks "think" a heavy 1911 9mm,with halfa Grock capacity,is "viable".

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!...........................


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I agree.

Why not scale the grip and mag to 9mm?
Or, design a semi staggered mag that would fit a normal grip.
Adding a few rounds.


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It's called a BHP.

Hint.

Simply beavertail a BHP and you DUMB fhuqks are there...with 50% capacity increase and OEM mags.

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Wilson edc x9 is an option too...
Sort of a 1911
No grip safety but still hammer fired and holds 15

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Like dating Bruce Jenner. Congratulations?!?

You "lucky" kchunts.

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9mms are Browning P35s, CZ75s and Berettas.

9mm 1911s? It is heresy.

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But.....why?

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Ed is an unpleasant person to deal with, so if you buy one and have to send it back, don't expect much, and he'll likely be nasty to you on the phone to boot. That was my experience, and he refused to fix the problem I sent it back for (unreliability). He kept telling me to stop limpwristing it, despite the fact that I had owned and been shooting 1911s for decades by then, and had several, all of which operated with perfect reliability. A couple of hundred rounds after getting it back from Ed (no note of explanation, and on calling for one, he told me nothing was wrong with it, so he did nothing to it), the extractor hook sheered off while shooting it, rendering it completely inoperable. Rather than suffer with having to deal with Ed again (he's that unpleasant), I just researched how to tune an extractor, bought one, tuned it, and installed it. It's been 100% reliable ever since, and this occurred around twenty years ago.

My advice: Buy a Les Baer.

PS I love my Kobra Carry, but Les Baer makes nice guns, too, but without being a-holes.

My Kobra Carry:

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
He kept telling me to stop limpwristing it,


The dude is psychic.

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Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
He kept telling me to stop limpwristing it,


The dude is psychic.

Read on.

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I've heard that about Ed from multiple sources. I've also read glowing reports of customer service, even one posted today on the 1911 forum. All that being said, Ed retired a few years ago, I'm not sure he actually goes to the shop anymore. I've emailed them at least 5-6 questions in the last 2 weeks and have received responses within 2 hours or less.
They hired John May from Wilson Combat to run Sales and maybe he has impacted their "customer experience", no clue honestly.

It's good feedback though, I always like to hear the good and the bad and yeah I really like the Kobra Carry.

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Ok I'll bite, how about the Browning Hi Power?


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The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.


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Originally Posted by Gibby
The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.


It's chambered in 9mm because that's the way God and John Browning intended it.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Gibby
The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.


It's chambered in 9mm because that's the way God and John Browning intended it.


...and mankind had not advanced in intelligence enough to invent the 40 yet wink

Seriously- 25 years ago I had an Argentine Hi Power, a half case of 115 grain Silvertip and a plague of Bluejays. That pistol shot well enough you could center them to about 30 paces and fill the air with feathers.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.


It's chambered in 9mm because that's the way God and John Browning intended it.



I am pretty sure JB has a chair next to God at the dinner table.


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as much as i love the improved version of the 1911, that being the model of 1935, ther is another.
It's called the CZ75, which is what the hipower would have morphed into.


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Springfield and STI have also made scaled down 1911's for the 9x19. Not just shorter, but also narrower. And much less expensive than Wilson or Ed Brown.


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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
Springfield and STI have also made scaled down 1911's for the 9x19. Not just shorter, but also narrower. And much less expensive than Wilson or Ed Brown.


Good info to point out, thanks!

I believe STI's is $400 less. That's a decent amount of money but it's not huge when spending in this range. Not sure what the Springfield costs, but I am sure it's less.

It's hard to get an Ed Brown or Wilson under 3K new ....

It just depends on what one wants I guess

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Originally Posted by DAMARA
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Springfield and STI have also made scaled down 1911's for the 9x19. Not just shorter, but also narrower. And much less expensive than Wilson or Ed Brown.


Good info to point out, thanks!

I believe STI's is $400 less. That's a decent amount of money but it's not huge when spending in this range. Not sure what the Springfield costs, but I am sure it's less.

It's hard to get an Ed Brown or Wilson under 3K new ....

It just depends on what one wants I guess


I think Springfield's is called the EMP, and is also available in .40


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I've got a Springfield Armory EMP-4

GREAT "smaller" 1911. It fits MY hands better than a full size 1911.

The 4" feels like a smaller scale Commander, and is my all time favorite 1911, and I've owned a bunch over the years.

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The EMP is also built around the .40 S&W, which is pretty cool.

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I don't understand the draw of a 9mm, commander sized 1911, even if slightly smaller. Weight is about the same as a lightweight Commander, 9mm holds only one more round than 45ACP and size, while smaller, is only slightly smaller. Not interested in a caliber war, but if I'm carrying only 9 rounds of bullets, I want them to be 45ACP instead of 9mm.

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The more I look at the EMP4 9mm, the more I want one. It's like a Commander in miniature.

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Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
I don't understand the draw of a 9mm, commander sized 1911, even if slightly smaller. Weight is about the same as a lightweight Commander, 9mm holds only one more round than 45ACP and size, while smaller, is only slightly smaller. Not interested in a caliber war, but if I'm carrying only 9 rounds of bullets, I want them to be 45ACP instead of 9mm.

Nope. The EMP4 9mm comes with three 10 round mags, so that's an 11 round capacity, exactly like a Glock 26.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
I don't understand the draw of a 9mm, commander sized 1911, even if slightly smaller. Weight is about the same as a lightweight Commander, 9mm holds only one more round than 45ACP and size, while smaller, is only slightly smaller. Not interested in a caliber war, but if I'm carrying only 9 rounds of bullets, I want them to be 45ACP instead of 9mm.

Nope. The EMP4 9mm comes with three 10 round mags, so that's an 11 round capacity, exactly like a Glock 26.


And I'd still rather have a 45acp with 8+1. If it was a 2011 9mm of similar size, weight, etc. with 15 or so rounds of 9mm, I'd feel different.

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Personally, I might be wrong, I feel that modern bullet technology has made the 9mm more useful/reliable regarding penetration and expansion, through denim or bare gellatin, than it used to be.

I like federal HST's and everything I've watched and read has led me to believe they would work quite well.

I'm not one to quote caliber lethality statistics though.

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Originally Posted by DAMARA
Personally, I might be wrong, I feel that modern bullet technology has made the 9mm more useful/reliable regarding penetration and expansion, through denim or bare gellatin, than it used to be.

I like federal HST's and everything I've watched and read has led me to believe they would work quite well.

I'm not one to quote caliber lethality statistics though.

Modern bullet technology didnt stop with 9mm bullets. All calibers gained from that improved technology.

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Personally, I might be wrong, I feel that modern bullet technology has made the 9mm more useful/reliable regarding penetration and expansion, through denim or bare gellatin, than it used to be.

I like federal HST's and everything I've watched and read has led me to believe they would work quite well.

I'm not one to quote caliber lethality statistics though.

Modern bullet technology didnt stop with 9mm bullets. All calibers gained from that improved technology.

I don't believe I said it did?
It has certainly improved the 380 and other historically known "marginal" calibers...and yes it improved the 45 also. Bullets like the .308 130 TTSX sent at 3000fps+ are killing things that 25 years ago someone would've loaded a 165 or 180 to kill.

I found this informative:
https://loadoutroom.com/51037/the-reasons-why-fbi-went-to-back-to-9mm/

Due to the elastic nature of most human tissue and the low velocity of handgun projectiles relative to rifle projectiles, it has long been established by medical professionals, experienced in evaluating gunshot wounds, that the damage along a wound path visible at autopsy or during surgery cannot be distinguished between the common handgun calibers used in law enforcement. That is to say an operating room surgeon or Medical Examiner cannot distinguish the difference between wounds caused by .35 to .45 caliber projectiles.

Not interested in turning this into a caliber lethality thread though.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The more I look at the EMP4 9mm, the more I want one. It's like a Commander in miniature.



If you like that, then you should love the Wilson Compact series.

Breakdown, spend some money.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The more I look at the EMP4 9mm, the more I want one. It's like a Commander in miniature.



If you like that, then you should love the Wilson Compact series.

Breakdown, spend some money.

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Just pocket change for a man of your stature.................. grin

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