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Any 160gr 7mm from 7mm/08 to 7mm RUM, I want opinions please? This goes hand in hand with my other post about the .270/160 going 2950fps load I have that "mimics" a 7mm Rem Mag, give or take a bit. I was aware that I would hear from more 270 users than 338WM users, it just is a fact of logistics. However, through the years, I have seen more 7mm Mags (all stripes) and 300WMs than 338WM "in the field" or 340W. Both dynamic rounds I know for a fact. In later years, with newer powders the 7mm/08 and 280AI. No one really doubts the effectiveness of a good Medium caliber, (could throw in 35 Whelen and such too) on elk. But "usually" when a person wants more than a .270/308/30-06, they will go to the 7mm Rem Mag. A lot will go to the 300WM.

I was comparing my 270/160PT @2950 with my old Mod 700 7mm Mag from the late 70's/to mid 80's I used. I tried the slowest I had available to me powders ( H4831 & H870, MRP) and my rifle just did not give good accuracy with the 160 partition. IMR 4350 best load did and according to the Nosler manual, it was "supposed" to be going right at 3100fps. I finally had it checked by a guy who had a chrono (PACT) and it was 2950fps. Plenty, but not the Bob Hagel/Warren Page/Les Bowman load I had been reading about. I was using the 150PT/3200/4350 as my deer load, so I wasn't hurting. I loaned the rifle/160 load to a friend and he did kill a midsized bull elk with it in Colorado. Hurray, my load worked just fine! I later in life got my 3100 and change ( a lot of change in both the 7mm STW and 7mm RUM) My best 160 load was 2800fps in my only ( though 22" bbl) 280AI and another friend used it on a huge cow elk, 1 shot and down.

So, you guys that have used any 160gr bullet ( which many will argue the 7mm caliber "balances" with) on heavy deer/hogs/elk/big game...what was your speed and how did it work for you? Since I threw in the standard 7mms, I won't ask for your rifles weight, that's irrelevant for my info. This is, again, not trying to say what is "better" than a 338WM or Medium load, or 30-06, etc but just how the 160 7mm did on heavier game? Thanks guys.

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160 AB's running 3000-3100 (Retumbo, RL22) worked great on roughly 40 head of African antelope up through Zebra size animals. About half passed through.


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162 eldx knocked the stuffing out of a big 6x6 elk. The next day my brother used the same rifle on a big cow elk. Close to 3k mv.





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Have used about any cup & core 160's, also Partitions, out of 275 Rigby at ~2700fps with great success through the years.


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Well I'm pushing the old 160 gr. Seer two core Grand Slams at 2910 FPS from my .280 Rem. 1909 Argie. Brass is Winchester nickel plated, WLR primer and powder the now long discontinued Winchester WMR. I have a good supply of that powder. Accuracy runs in the .75" range on average. It just might be the rifle I take for my elk hunt this year.
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I've had good results on bull elk with the 160 Partition and 61 grs. H4831 in a New Ultra Light Arms 7x61 Sharpe & Hart. Muzzle velocity around 2900 fps.

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Considering that I've taken more elk with it than any other load, I guess you'd have to say a 160g Speer Grand Slam. No longer build that load and haven't for years, but took my last elk with it using my buddy;s lefty 7mm RM and the 160g Grand Slam. 411 yards, 4 steps and down.


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I've only killed two elk with my .280 Remington in my old Remington 725, 22" bbl, Both were with a Nosler Partition, 160 grains in front of 54.0 grains of IMR 4350. Chronographed at 2880 FPS.

One shot kills. No more than a couple hundred yards. Both were standing approx. broadside. Worked for me. grin

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160 grain Nosler Partition and IMR 4350 out my Model 70 Featherweight 7X57 works for me.

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I've read God made the 160gr. Nosler Partition then he made elk. With IMR 7828 I can about get 2940fps, with R26 I get a little over 3000fps. out of my Win. Mod.70 .280AI.

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Thanks guys...just what I was trying to get across to a fellow the other day...a 160gr (.270/7mm) are so close in diameter that they are the same, in the field for sure. Yeah the 270/160 isn't as BC as some 160/7mm, but close enough that under 400yds it doesn't matter. And for a "point and shoot" guy it sure doesn't matter, ha. I guess I'm excited that this is the "very first" 270 I've had (this is #6) that shot the 150/160s well! They all shot well ( well, one Mod 700 MR was a shotgun) with 130-140s. A few shot the 110 OK, but not tight enough for prairie dogs & such. And I just can't get over how fast this rifle shoots those heavies! I "cut my teeth" in bolt guns/reloading with a .280 then on up through the AI to magnums and I learned how to trust a 7mm bullet on game. Anything comparable gives me a warm fuzzy.

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[quote=super T]I've read God made the 160gr. Nosler Partition then he made elk.

I can't find the scripture for that...but you could be right! I "know" God packs a 10mm! smile

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I've never been elk hunting or shot a round loaded with a Nosler Partition Bullet loaded in it YET. But you can take this to the bank, if I ever have occasion to go on an elk hunt I will be armed with a Nosler Partition Bullet. And it may be in a 7mm of some flavor. Or who knows, it might be my lowly .270 Winchester.

1,000 experienced hunters can't all be wrong. And I've read at least that many comments by experienced elk hunters that recommended the Nosler Partition. I've heard dozens of arguments over the subject. And I just have to go by the sheer volume of positive comments in favor of the Nosler. Yeah you can say its old technology but its old technology that works and works good. So why change? Dont kick that sleepin' dog.

Now on Deer and hogs and such, I've shot the 160 Sierra Game King in my .280 Rem. and 7 Rem. Mag. They're very accurate and a deer has a lot thinner skin and thinner bones than an elk.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
Thanks guys...just what I was trying to get across to a fellow the other day...a 160gr (.270/7mm) are so close in diameter that they are the same, in the field for sure. Yeah the 270/160 isn't as BC as some 160/7mm, but close enough that under 400yds it doesn't matter. And for a "point and shoot" guy it sure doesn't matter, ha. I guess I'm excited that this is the "very first" 270 I've had (this is #6) that shot the 150/160s well! They all shot well ( well, one Mod 700 MR was a shotgun) with 130-140s. A few shot the 110 OK, but not tight enough for prairie dogs & such. And I just can't get over how fast this rifle shoots those heavies! I "cut my teeth" in bolt guns/reloading with a .280 then on up through the AI to magnums and I learned how to trust a 7mm bullet on game. Anything comparable gives me a warm fuzzy.


Jim, I don't know how they're calculating that BC but I always wonder about such calculations. If you compare the same brand and style bullet, one in .277 and one in 7mm, I would think the .277 bullet would have a slightly higher BC, all else being equal due to its slightly smaller diameter.. Now if you're comparing something made by Berger with different profile to a SGK or Nosler Partition, yeah maybe, but Berger makes VLD bullets in .277 as well.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
... . Yeah the 270/160 isn't as BC as some 160/7mm, but close enough that under 400yds it doesn't matter. And for a "point and shoot" guy it sure doesn't matter, ha. ...


High B.C. values are highly over-rated at normal ranges. For me the .387 B.C. of the Speer 160g Grand Slam hasn't been a hindrance in any way. Every elk I've aimed them at has gone down quickly,

A reasonable B.C. value gets it done at typical ranges.


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So far, I've only heard from a couple guys way up North that have used the 270/160PT. That's another reason I asked you 7mm users, for sure, elk country is 7mm country! Thanks guys for the feedback, it "satisfies my soul"...:)

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I believe there are only three 7mm cartridges I have not owned or worked with. Of the whole lot I am a hardcore 280 user. I have taken several Axis with the Nosler Combined Technology 160 Partition. Result? Bang - Flop.

Running 160's at 2900 fps in my 280's & 3000 fps in my 280 AI. Though my 7 Wby will push 160's to 3200, I have yet to need that speed. I'm a 300 yard shooter.


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Never hunted Elk, but have hunted Red Stag in Argentina and quite a bit of African plains game over the course of ten safaris. The Red Stag went down quickly after being shot by a .300 Win Mag loaded with a 200 grain Swift A Frame, as have many species of African PG. Last year, hunted PG successfully with a .30/06 and factory loaded Barnes 168 grain TTSX.

Am also partial to the Woodleigh Weldcore, a bonded bullet that worked well on African PG. My 7x57 shoots their 160 grain pp quite well.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
Any 160gr 7mm from 7mm/08 to 7mm RUM, I want opinions please? This goes hand in hand with my other post about the .270/160 going 2950fps load I have that "mimics" a 7mm Rem Mag, give or take a bit. I was aware that I would hear from more 270 users than 338WM users, it just is a fact of logistics. However, through the years, I have seen more 7mm Mags (all stripes) and 300WMs than 338WM "in the field" or 340W. Both dynamic rounds I know for a fact. In later years, with newer powders the 7mm/08 and 280AI. No one really doubts the effectiveness of a good Medium caliber, (could throw in 35 Whelen and such too) on elk. But "usually" when a person wants more than a .270/308/30-06, they will go to the 7mm Rem Mag. A lot will go to the 300WM.

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The reason you shave seen more 7mm Mags (and particularly the Rem Mag, I would guess) and .300WM rifles is because they are so much more flexible than the .338 magnums. They get the job done with significantly less recoil. And again, particularly the 7mm RM.

My 160g Speer Grand Slam loads were running a max charge of IMR4831 (1g under the old Speer manuals, 1g over more current manuals) for what - after many years of use - I eventually chrono'd at 2874fps. It took me 20 years to recover one. That one wrecked both shoulder joints on a nice bull elk and was peeking out of the bone on the far side.

After getting some .30-06 caliber rifles, in which I use 150g AB and 165-168g North Fork and TTSX bullets and all of which have worked on elk, I've pretty much gone to 140g in the 7mm RM and .280 Rem. A 140g/3214fps North Fork from the 7mm RM exited a cow on a 400-yard broadside.

For Daughter #1 I've worked up a .270 Win/150g ABLR load at 2912fps for her Rem M700, with less than 18 ft-lbs recoil. It maintains 2000fps and 1500fpe well past 700 yards. That should be adequate for elk at her self-imposed 400-yard limit. smile Her hubby's brother is in the Navy and I have his .270. After replacing the scope I'll work up the same load for his rifle (Savage, shorter COL required) and he will use it on our elk hunt this fall.

While the Partition was the Gold Standard for many years for some people, the proliferation of mono's bonded and hybrids like the A-Frame, North Fork and Trophy Bonded have provided hunters with more options to achieve the same results - often with lighter bullets and less recoil. And higher B.C. designs have allowed them to stretch the effective ranges for their loads. Given that most loads will work most of the time, many people obsess over possibilities with small (but non-zero) probabilities. (As a fan of the premium bullets, I'm probably guilty.) The fact is that, at least for elk and smaller, just about any well-placed shot will work, regardless of load details.


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160 partitions at 2750 fps or so with H414 in 7x57 works quite well.

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