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This is definitely a positive development. With any luck, Trump will be able to keep the neocon crazies in check. It would be better if he sent all of them on their way. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Iran-called-strike-planes-took-off.htmlWhite House confirmed that Trump overruled 'unanimous' advisors including Mike Pompeo and John Bolton when he called off strikes.
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Gotta give Trump credit. It'll be interesting to watch this whole thing play out.
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Our enemies need to fear us. Tightly focused punitive strikes/expeditions that make the world gasp at their ferocity would best serve. No nation building, occupation or other Powell Doctrine/neocon crap.
mike r Exactly what I am saying. Strike hard and fast. People saying send sons and daughters wtf? I said no ground troops. We could launch a massive tomahawk cruise missile strike, no ones son and daughters are impacted. Iran can’t hurt us......until they get a nuke
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The attack on the tankers was a false flag initiated by the usual subjects. When that failed to get the desired results the neocon crazies sent a drone into Iranian airspace to be shot down to cause an actionable offense. (of course the neocon crazies planned in advance to say that the drone was flying over international waters)
The next escalation to be expected is for the crazies to send a manned aircraft into Iranian airspace to be sacrificed in order to create a justification for war with Iran.
Any pilot who gets sent on such a mission should be very nervous. His purpose will be that of a sacrificial pawn.
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Our enemies need to fear us. Tightly focused punitive strikes/expeditions that make the world gasp at their ferocity would best serve. No nation building, occupation or other Powell Doctrine/neocon crap.
mike r Exactly what I am saying. Strike hard and fast. People saying send sons and daughters wtf? I said no ground troops. We could launch a massive tomahawk cruise missile strike, no ones son and daughters are impacted. Iran can’t hurt us......until they get a nuke We can't conduct a truly "massive" attack with just tomahawk's. They've expensive, and our inventory's much smaller than you would expect. A massive attack requires air power. Think lots of JDAMs and other such munitions. JDAM's run about 25k each, where tomahawks run 1.4 million each, so JDAM's are only about 50 times as cost efficient.
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The next drone we launch needs to be heavily armed. The moment it's painted by targeting radar, it needs to fire first. Repeat as necessary. There's no need to risk the lives of another generation of warriors when the drone pilots can play their real-life video games from somewhere inside the continental USA. Jerry
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I see DJT has decided to squeeze their economic boil a bit harder. ;-{>8
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Left wing crazies see Trump as an idiot child with an itchy trigger finger on the button for the nukes.
But instead the President shows restraint and a willingness to work with our enemies - at the same time hammering home another several points in his re-election victory.
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Why not?
I think we want regime change and not create a bunch of terrorists to go on and make the next 9/11.
Besides, I wonder how much tech and weaponry China and Russia have supplied to Iran over the years. Could we handle Iran? Sure. Would it cost us? Probably. Will China and Russia learn from it? Likely.
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There is no value added to a war with Iran......or any other country
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a good friend who was over there in Iran and the rest of those sand countries the first time America went over there and was in the service said : the oil would still be ok even if America NUKE Iran so somewhere in that thought is the answer. Grin
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There is no value added to a war with Iran......or any other country There is truth in what you said. Come now, Iran isn't letting international oil companies to make money off them and worse yet they're not using USD in crude oil transactions. I wish they would just tell regular Americans that you have to go to war to protect corporate interests/profits, Wall Street profits and the value of USD.
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The attack on the tankers was a false flag initiated by the usual subjects. When that failed to get the desired results the neocon crazies sent a drone into Iranian airspace to be shot down to cause an actionable offense. (of course the neocon crazies planned in advance to say that the drone was flying over international waters)
The next escalation to be expected is for the crazies to send a manned aircraft into Iranian airspace to be sacrificed in order to create a justification for war with Iran.
Any pilot who gets sent on such a mission should be very nervous. His purpose will be that of a sacrificial pawn. There is no way to be sure, but chances are much better than average that the ship attacks were orchestrated by operatives from countries in alliance against Iran.
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There is no value added to a war with Iran......or any other country Lol...there are plenty people in the war industry. Every one of them are hoping for a boost in sales.
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There is no value added to a war with Iran......or any other country Lol...there are plenty people in the war industry. Every one of them are hoping for a boost in sales. True, but the cost to taxpayer for each active duty member is about $550,000 per year. How long can you continue doing what you're doing? Perhaps Chinese model of just doing business is better?
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The attack on the tankers was a false flag initiated by the usual subjects. When that failed to get the desired results the neocon crazies sent a drone into Iranian airspace to be shot down to cause an actionable offense. (of course the neocon crazies planned in advance to say that the drone was flying over international waters)
The next escalation to be expected is for the crazies to send a manned aircraft into Iranian airspace to be sacrificed in order to create a justification for war with Iran.
Any pilot who gets sent on such a mission should be very nervous. His purpose will be that of a sacrificial pawn. There is no way to be sure, but chances are much better than average that the ship attacks were orchestrated by operatives from countries in alliance against Iran. No,...there's no way to be sure. But there's a lot of historical precedence for situations like this.
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Yes, that is actually a hopeful development.
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I see DJT has decided to squeeze their economic boil a bit harder. ;-{>8 That is how you turn the citizens against its government.
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I see DJT has decided to squeeze their economic boil a bit harder. ;-{>8 That is how you turn the citizens against its government. Zactly, then you hand THEM the lancet. ;-{>8
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