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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
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Our enemies need to fear us. Tightly focused punitive strikes/expeditions that make the world gasp at their ferocity would best serve. No nation building, occupation or other Powell Doctrine/neocon crap.




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Exactly what I am saying. Strike hard and fast. People saying send sons and daughters wtf? I said no ground troops. We could launch a massive tomahawk cruise missile strike, no ones son and daughters are impacted. Iran can’t hurt us......until they get a nuke


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https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...iles-a-game-changer-not-a-backtrack/amp/

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“President Trump approved an offensive cyber strike that disabled computer systems used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to control rocket and missile launches.”

“Though crippling to Iran’s military command and control systems,” reported the Washington Post, “the operation did not involve a loss of life or civilian casualties—a contrast to conventional strikes, which the president said he called back Thursday because they would not be ‘proportionate’.”

That is not a backtrack, it’s a game changer.

A physical missile strike against military targets in Iran would generate headlines and newsworthy images. It would kill scores of people. But in the end, it would make little difference to the standoff between Washington and Teheran. If, however, the reports are true and the U.S. has compromised Iran’s networks to the extent that Teheran’s core command and control systems are now vulnerable, that changes the dynamics completely.


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In all the war strategies I’ve seen, the objective was to take out the generals and high command in order to shorten the conflict.

Seems like dropping a MOAB on the Iran leader’s bedroom at night would bring things to a close rather quickly.

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Originally Posted by watch4bear
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I see DJT has decided to squeeze their economic boil a bit harder. ;-{>8




That is how you turn the citizens against its government. grin


That approach isn't likely to work, but we will have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
I see all the reports in the media about how catastrophic an attack on iran would be, putin is saying it, the media is saying it, its like OMG we can't possibly attack Iran. Meanwhile there is a laundry list of stuff they have been behind that have led to lost american lives. They have sought to destabilize the entire region for years. Pretty much everyone in the entire geographic area views them as a pariah. the saudi's, israelis, pretty much most of the middle east views them as a threat. It would seem to me the way to handle this is one massive and decisive military air strike and take everything out all at once. cripple the nuke program. bomb all important military targets. notify all vessels in the straight of hormuz that if you are identified as iranian, your boat will be sunk. Take out every military vessel on the iranian coast. Just a massive and withering attack. Seriously what is Iran going to do to us. They possess no means of projecting military authority. They can't fight us back. I am not suggesting an invasion with ground troops. What I am suggesting is the notion that our patience is over and fire and brimstone bringeth forth. Become a peaceful nation or the arieal bombing will continue. I see us as holding all the cards with Iran here.


How many tours you do in Iraq and/or Afghanistan?

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2x the size of Iraq and Afghanistan combined in a very challenging terrain.
2x the population of Iraq and Afghanistan combined
50% of the population younger then 40 years.. lots of fighting age personell.


The US could easily bomb Iran or any other 1st world country back to the stone age in 2-3 days!!

But, most of the youth in Iran, want a western lifestyle, but are living under a Religious leadership.
( Who seized power because the US started a coup and sponsored a Dictator, that treated Iranians for [bleep] for to long )

Bomb them, and they will fall in line under their leaders.. because US bombs killed their friends, family and countrymen.
And the hundreds of thousands of civilians who will perish because of lack of clean water, food, electricity and medicine?

The US will then have alienated ALL the Islamic factions in the region, except the Wahhabism loving Saudis. You know the people who actually funded and orchestrated and performed the 9.11 attacks.



So you have 50-60 million western loving young Iranians are living under a Religious kalifat... and you think its a good idea to ruin their country because of their leaders?


Isn´t it enough the US killed 1+ MILLION civilian Iraqis in 2003?


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Originally Posted by Slavek
Originally Posted by watch4bear
Originally Posted by oldtrapper
I see DJT has decided to squeeze their economic boil a bit harder. ;-{>8




That is how you turn the citizens against its government. grin


That approach isn't likely to work, but we will have to wait and see.




Actually, it would have already worked if obummer hadn't botched it.


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There's nothing new about turmoil in the Middle East- - - -the area has been the center of conflict and bloodshed for at least 2000 years. Study these maps for a while and the associated commentary, and tell me how anything we, or anyone else can do will actually make a difference.

https://www.vox.com/a/maps-explain-the-middle-east

The only really new factor that has brought things to a head in the past 100 years is the fact that somebody poked a few holes in the ground and discovered some black, stinky goo down there that fuels our modern society. If these camel jockeys weren't sitting on billions of barrels of the stuff, they'd still be humping goats and living as wandering nomads, and the rest of the world wouldn't care!
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ok never mind, let iran get a nuke, let them keep killing our soliders in other areas of the world with their support of terror. Let hezbollah keep launching [bleep] into israel from Lebanon and or from the west bank. just let them keep getting away with it. putting 20 armed naval destoryers off the coast and sending 1000 tomahawk missiles into iran with a range of 1500 miles each, that is the same as putting boots on the ground and sending daughters to war. Its the same as sending people on tours to afghanistan and iraq. so yeah carry on with appeasement. works everytime its tried right?

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I was kind before. But you persist, so... You have the military acumen of a ballet dancer. But that tops your political savvy by a mile.


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Cumminscowboy, you seem to be equating Iranian defense capabilities with Iraqs. Say we launched a massive Tomahawk barrage from ships in the gulf. What would you expect the Iranian response to be? Hint..they have a ton of effective anti ship missles on mobil launch platforms that are hard to track.
Dont get me wrong, Iran has no chance of beating the US armed forces however it must be asked at what cost? Are you prepared for several or more US ships to be sunk? How about the hit to the global economy? A strike against Iran isnt without potentially massive negative consequences.

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The military is the wrong tool. The last time around they were rendered irrelevant and powerless by the Industrial Revolution. If we spent the money fostering technological advancements in renewable or clean energy, we'd have no trouble with Iran because they'd be too busy just trying to survive to bother anyone.

Technological leadership in a free market is the answer. Just do the math on the amount spent versus what a hydrogen car costs. We could have all got a BMW for our share of the debt instead of just dead soldiers and more problems.


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