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Originally Posted by Pappy348
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Whatever happened to Pollock jokes? when I was a kid everybody had a a good Pollock joke.... this country is goin down the drain.... frown


I'm not trying to be hurtful or demeaning, but it's polack. Pollock is a fish.

Never heard a pollock joke, but I suppose it's possible there's some out there.

Awww...

Close enough for the Optics Forum...

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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by irfubar
Whatever happened to Pollock jokes? when I was a kid everybody had a a good Pollock joke.... this country is goin down the drain.... frown


I'm not trying to be hurtful or demeaning, but it's polack. Pollock is a fish.

Never heard a pollock joke, but I suppose it's possible there's some out there.


Damn, can't believe Kingston didn't catch that.... maybe he is goin easy on me... smile
What do you think of Leupold?


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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What did the pollock say to the other pollock?


No idea either, but here's one:


Two fish swim into a concrete wall. The one turns to the other and says, "Dam!"



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Good grief , next thing ya know Fireballz is gonna show up and make this thread about him and turn it into a pity party...... focus you clowns this is about Leupolds future for cryin out loud....


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by irfubar
Whatever happened to Pollock jokes? when I was a kid everybody had a a good Pollock joke.... this country is goin down the drain.... frown


I'm not trying to be hurtful or demeaning, but it's polack. Pollock is a fish.

Never heard a pollock joke, but I suppose it's possible there's some out there.


Damn, can't believe Kingston didn't catch that.... maybe he is goin easy on me... smile
What do you think of Leupold?


I wasn’t gonna be the first to call Blackheart’s wife a fish.


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If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Originally Posted by irfubar
Good grief , next thing ya know Fireballz is gonna show up and make this thread about him and turn it into a pity party...... focus you clowns this is about Leupolds future for cryin out loud....


He’s busy picking fights with jet boat captains and building a toy hauler for his MatchBox car collection.


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by irfubar
Whatever happened to Pollock jokes? when I was a kid everybody had a a good Pollock joke.... this country is goin down the drain.... frown


I'm not trying to be hurtful or demeaning, but it's polack. Pollock is a fish.

Never heard a pollock joke, but I suppose it's possible there's some out there.


Damn, can't believe Kingston didn't catch that.... maybe he is goin easy on me... smile
What do you think of Leupold?


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Jordan you are being very diplomatic with cjc73.... you are much nicer than me....

My first post to him was a simple question:
(Do you believe you would be as "effective " on a shot beyond your holdover distance as a guy with a scope that dials accurately?)

And he replied :
Yes, but i hold myself to a certain distance while hunting. Don't always have time to dial while hunting.

I didn't ask him about hunting..... he made assumptions... then accused me of that.....

He was being condescending little prick......



Because Jordan has a sense of intelligence and can carry on a civilized conversation. You're the prick in this whole thing.... i didn't assume anything. i answered your question and followed it up with some clarification on my end.

So to make it clear for you simpleton.... take me with my hold over and a guy dialing.... at 400 yards... yes, i'd be just as effective as the guy dialing for 400 in a hunting situation. if competition, then no (but I wouldn't be using this rifle either). Is that better?

As for the comment on ... oh what if its 401? We all have to make a call as to when to attempt a shot you're comfortable with, 400yds is a rough limit i hold myself to while hunting, others may go farther, good for them.. I'd take the 401yd shot if the conditions were right. Every situation is different. I may not take a shot at 300yd if i didn't feel comfortable with the situation.

I have other guns i hunt with with holdover marks and use them effectively too. I have target guns with dial scopes to shoot farther at inanimate objects. This started as a my rifle with a Leupold scope, thats it, one example. Was not meant to encompass the entire world of shooting sports. I hope that clears things up. Good day all....



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Words have meaning...... read again. You said you are as effective past your holdover distance using holdover as a guy dialing. I may be a simpleton but I am going by YOUR words.

If you misspoke simply say so ......


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by CJC73
I'd take my Leupold on my 270Wby anywhere and be more than comfortable with it. I have targets with 3 shots touching in the X and haven't touched the zero in more than 10 years (yes that is a set and forget rifle/scope). I don't dial it for shots while hunting, i practice and holdover with a plain duplex reticle


I’d be knocking on wood.


Practice and confidence. And it's in a synthetic stock, so.....




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If a rifle is capable of touching 3 shots at 100 yards, and it does so consistently with the same POI for the group center, then obviously the scope is holding zero just fine, and is not shifting. That scope would be considered one of the good ones. For now. Round count kills...


Round count on that rifle... probably close to a 1000 now


So, you would have confidence with that combination at 500 or more and using holdover?



Seems a few people had questions regarding your statements......

Battue is one of the nicest most reasonable guys on the fire.... not long ago he had a long thread defending Leupold's honor.... is he now a simpleton?
Kingston is a very smart guy and accomplished rifleman... is he a simpleton also?
Jordan is also very accomplished and a really nice guy...... is he a simpleton?

Maybe I am a simpleton because I didn't phrase my questions properly? I know for a fact in this case my reading comprehension wasn't off because others seen it the same as me.


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by kingston
LEUPOLD is sticking with the plan—deploy marketing to shame and berate dissenters into the brand lifestyle.


So Leupold uses the Campfire model.


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Good grief , next thing ya know Fireballz is gonna show up and make this thread about him and turn it into a pity party...... focus you clowns this is about Leupolds future for cryin out loud....


Well done Carnac...😬😎


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by irfubar
Good grief , next thing ya know Fireballz is gonna show up and make this thread about him and turn it into a pity party...... focus you clowns this is about Leupolds future for cryin out loud....


Well done Carnac...😬😎


I could just as easily predict irfubr would show up on any given thread and take a big swaddling dump right in the middle of it, and be right, 100% of the time. Would that make me a genius or irfubar a tool?


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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LEUPOLD is sticking with the plan—deploy marketing to shame and berate dissenters into the brand lifestyle.


So Leupold uses the Campfire model.


I have to admit, that made me laugh.


How’s the “toy hauler” coming?


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by irfubar
Good grief , next thing ya know Fireballz is gonna show up and make this thread about him and turn it into a pity party...... focus you clowns this is about Leupolds future for cryin out loud....


Well done Carnac...😬😎


I could just as easily predict irfubr would show up on any given thread and take a big swaddling dump right in the middle of it, and be right, 100% of the time. Would that make me a genius or irfubar a tool?




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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

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Regarding satisfying the golden rule— I’d wager, if Fubar were so endowed, he’d cock slap himself.


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My take on this thread.... Thank God for scopes that dial because obviously there would never have been any game killed without that capability... Them poor old timers....how did they not starve...

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My take on this thread , , , apparently Leupold had a webinar and called us, as a whole, a bunch of uninformed dummies. We managed to pretty well agree that's what they said, and we agreed we didn't appreciate it. About the best anyone had to say about Leupold's performance was "What did you expect? Are you surprised?" Not a good day for Leupold on the 'Fire.

Then, true to the 'Fire, some folks got all into each other's business about what constitutes ethical hunting and good shooting. Much of this centered on "dialing" vs. "holdover." Some apparently decided others were in fact uninformed dummies, although not for the same reasons Leupold did. If you managed to keep track of who was on what side, or if there were only two sides, you kept up better than me.

When a thread starts out talking about a train wreck, if the question is can we make a bigger, or at least different, train wreck . . . oh hell yes. This is the 'Fire, is it not?

Finally, I need to watch my Leupold scopes for zero shifts that may be small, but significant enough to cause me to miss on a long shot. I need to get good enough at reading the wind to determine if the shift is the scope or the wind that day. I can agree with that, because I will have to get pretty good at wind calls if I want to ethically shoot game animals way out there. There wasn't a lot of talk about wind in the long range discussions.

I left out some details, but I think that sums it up pretty well . . . so far.


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