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Curious what you all shoot in your 45/70's as your do all load? I load 405gr laser cast RNFP over 38gr of 3031. Shoots great in my guide gun and my sharps. I have a pile of 350gr Hornady FP I am thinking of loading a little hotter for my no1. Friend gave me some 535gr govt bullets that I hadn't had time to load for my sharps yet.

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405gr Remington JSP, 46gr H4198, WLP primer, Starline brass, 2.55" COL, heavy Lee FCD crimp, ~1800fps from 18.5" barrel. That is my "all-around" load until my supply of Remington 405gr JSP runs out.

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My all time favorite in a Marlin is the discontinued 300gr Nosler Partition over 59gr of VVN 133.
Second place is a Hornady 250gr Mono Flex in the shorter Hornady brass and VVN 133 right up to the base of the bullet.

Both are fast , accurate and tear a nice hole as they zip through elk.

Non traditional but they both work great.


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Originally Posted by colodog
My all time favorite in a Marlin is the discontinued 300gr Nosler Partition over 59gr of VVN 133.
Second place is a Hornady 250gr Mono Flex in the shorter Hornady brass and VVN 133 right up to the base of the bullet.

Both are fast , accurate and tear a nice hole as they zip through elk.

Non traditional but they both work great.

Ive got a full box of 300gr partitions that ive never shot. Everyone seems to love them, don't know why they wont bring them back out..


Also the 405 gr remingtons are loved as well and they make limited runs of them. I guess since they are creedmores or some whizz bang magnum, they don't care

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Why anyone loads a 45-70 past the 1870's standard load with a 405 grain bullet at 1350 FPS is beyound me. There isn't an animal in North America that could stop one of those bullets at that speed...


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Originally Posted by shrapnel


Why anyone loads a 45-70 past the 1870's standard load with a 405 grain bullet at 1350 FPS is beyound me. There isn't an animal in North America that could stop one of those bullets at that speed...

pretty much what I do. Works fine so far. And its plenty accurate. Ive hit 10" plates at 300 with my old sharps with barrel sights. Not a huge accomplishment for most but definitely one for me. Im just curious what others have used and swear by. I load my 44 mag and 45 colts similarly. Cast bullet 240 or 255 and mostly unique.

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When I was loading for my Rolling Block 45-70s the 405gr cast bullets worked well and were appropriate for what I wanted to accomplish at those speeds but this is posted in the lever gun section so I posted my preferred loads for such.

Different ways to do the same thing. smile


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Originally Posted by shrapnel


Why anyone loads a 45-70 past the 1870's standard load with a 405 grain bullet at 1350 FPS is beyound me. There isn't an animal in North America that could stop one of those bullets at that speed...




Agree with this observation.

On the other hand, I do load a few 305 gr Lehigh Penetrators (brass solids) ~1700-1850fps with 43-44gr of RL-7, 40gr of 5744 or 43gr of H4198 when am feeling out toothed and clawed by illegal immigrant bears near the Canada/USA border.

With 420gr wfngc I like around 41-44gr RL-7...



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Originally Posted by shrapnel


Why anyone loads a 45-70 past the 1870's standard load with a 405 grain bullet at 1350 FPS is beyound me. There isn't an animal in North America that could stop one of those bullets at that speed...



WHY???? Because you can...

I do believe that this one would have worked well too!!!

Bottom 'mushroom' 500 grns trundling along at about 1250fps.. top 450grns.... Paper Patched of course.... recovered from a damp sand berm.

I have shot them at 1600fps mol, recoil was...um...er...stout????

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Currently shooting 420 gr Garrett Hammerheads but looking for something different as those rounds are very expensive at $95 per box of 20.


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Originally Posted by AkMtnHntr
Currently shooting 420 gr Garrett Hammerheads but looking for something different as those rounds are very expensive at $95 per box of 20.




Until you start handloading 'em...15-19 well-placed practice shots should be enough.


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Shrapnel you gonna hate this......

I got plastic coated 405 grain bullets. I think I read the 305 grain recipie.........when working up the load.

Shot it two winters. I believe three different 1895 s Decided to chronograph it after I learned how to better use my chronograph.

Ended up a 2000 fps in the winter Ooooops.

She don't stick, and she groups.

I am askeered to shoot it in the summer.

I mostly been shooting it out of the 1895 P. must be the plastic coating that helps it out.

I don't have the load data with.

Keep wondering if I should pull em and start over.

It really made me appreciate big loops.

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Marlin Cowboy, enough RL-7 to power 525gr Piledrivers to 1745 fps, hellacious load that's plenty safe and accurate.
Sharps, 76gr KIK 3F under a 530gr paper patch bullet for 1244 fps, rings 500 yard steel with boring regularity.


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I read some of a book called 40 years with the 45/70......

He talks about straight wall cartridges they only need to move a far as the case is long to cut the pressure in half.

Claimed you can't pour enough IMR 3031 to hurt a Marlin? I can't remember the bullet weight.


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H4198

CCI magnum primers

Barnes 250 TSX flat point.

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Originally Posted by Angus1895
I read some of a book called 40 years with the 45/70......

He talks about straight wall cartridges they only need to move a far as the case is long to cut the pressure in half.

Claimed you can't pour enough IMR 3031 to hurt a Marlin? I can't remember the bullet weight.


Since when is blowing a gun apart not hurting it?


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Hard cast 405gr GC FP over 36gr of IMR-4198. Velocity is around 1500 fps. The hard cast slug does not expand much but will shoot through anything.

I shoot this load out of a Ruger No. 1S and a Browning 1886 SRC.

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Well said shrapnel. Agreed.


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For a few years it's been a lead 400 and 31.5 of 5744, just above Trapdoor pressure depending on your loading reference. I ended up with it because that happened to be the weight of 5744 thrown without adjusting the measure that day and it turned out to be a good load.

When I was younger and impervious to recoil I ran 400 gr Speers at 2000 f/s from a No.1, but honestly it wasn't much fun even then.

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I’m running 325 gr. Hornady FTX at just over 2200 fps. Powder is H322. Don’t recall the charge just now but they shoot moa. 3.5 high at 100, on at 200, 19 low at 300. Drop is easily compensated with the pattern 21 sight.

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