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https://www.foxnews.com/world/north...d-murdered-along-remote-canadian-highway

Wonder if these two victims enjoyed the RIGHT to bear arms...not really.

My guess would be murdered in cold blood by first nations because they are white.

Maybe they should issue the B.C. Conservation Officer a Marlin SBL and see what they can turn up at the crime scene.

RCMP are invited, too...

While this event is tragic, Canada's supreme court ruled in 1993 that Canadians do not have the right to bear arms. Certainly, visitors from another country would not.

SheriffJoe;
Good evening to you sir, I trust all is well with you tonight.

While it may - or as the case may be - may not interest you or other gentle readers to know that the BC Conservation Officer service has been armed for quite a good long while now - used to be they carried a fixed sight L Frame Smith in .357, but like a lot of the LEO world now carry .40 Glocks of some vintage.

Also they don't typically investigate crimes involving human deaths, though they are sworn peace officers and as such can be called on to diversify their duties if the need arises.

It's a horrible shame what happened to these two young folks and I have no other information on what occurred other than is available on the usual news services.

As Steve mentioned, we do not have the right to be armed here in Canada - it's considered a privilege that one can earn and conversely lose as well.

At one point in my life, as well as being a provincially certified to give exams for the the Hunter Safety Course, I was also a Federally Certified Instructor/Examiner and gave the courses and tests required to obtain a firearm here.

It's not really a tough thing to do if one has a mind to - but it does cost time and money and is not considered an inherent right by our highest court.

For residents however, just to be clear - when we're traveling in the hinterlands - it is very legal and in fact in my part of BC not unusual whatsoever for folks to be armed, but it will be with a rifle or shotgun and not a sidearm.

None of this is to say I'm personally pleased with the status quo or not working to see it changed - merely to state the way it is and nothing more.

I trust that was at least peripherally useful information for you or someone out there in the ether space this evening sir.

All the best to you as we head into the fall.

Dwayne

Can’t Americans traveling across Canada headed to Alaska carry one shotgun legally with them while passing through???

chlinstructor;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the 3rd week of July was a good one for you and this finds you well.

In the stickied thread at the top of this section which we set up for folks traveling into or through Canada, there's some websites to check where visitors can get the most up to date information from the Canadian Border Services and other LEO agencies up here.

Rather than answer what might have been okay yesterday or last week, I'd prefer to refer you there to get the information as close to the source as possible.

Sorry I couldn't be more help, but hopefully that points you in the right direction.

All the best to you as we head into fall and hunting season.

Dwayne

The amount of American and other foreign tourist/travelers in that part of Canada is unbelievable. So whoever killed them is either in Alaska or back south in lower 48.. far as a Canadian doing this I find it hard to believe. My money is on a someone passing through..either from or to Alaska

Thanks, Dwayne for your response.

My reference to the BC Conservation Service was for lack of better words... a "dig" to prompt the local authorities and also refers to the US Fish & Game equivalent character in the "Wind River" film.

I am certain that the RCMP are taking this seriously. They are responsible for the investigation, not the BC Wildlife Branch.

Steve....................

You missed my point, right?

Have a nice weekend.

Thank you Sir for your response. Hope you & yours are well also.

I must have.

Check out WIND RIVER:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MXHP4UaYHY

SheriffJoe;
Good evening again and thanks for the reply and further clarification.

I've got to admit that by the end of the week I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer any longer - perhaps I wasn't earlier either - but I did miss the Wind River reference.

Although I'm no movie critic or even a real aficionado really, I thought Jeremy Renner's role in Wind River was one of his best.

As 79S mentioned, it's actually a pretty busy section of the road up there and especially so this time of year.

It's been a pretty big deal up here as non organized crime related murders are relatively rare thankfully. I'm sure the RCMP will be throwing a bunch of effort into solving this and I do hope they do.

Perhaps it's too much for me to hope that the offender offers resistance during the arrest? They - the RCMP - have been less reluctant to shoot folks who need it in recent years so hopefully I can be forgiven for hoping for that outcome?

Thanks again for the clarification sir and all the best to you as we head into fall.

Dwayne

The video is unavailable for some reason. I'll check it out later.

The article says the RCMP have not confirmed that the couple was shot. Has this now been confirmed?
The right to keep and bear arms, like the right to self defense or defense of home, does not come from government, courts, or ancient documents; it simply exists, as long as you can make it stick. I have the right to bear arms because I bear arms. It is my choice as to when and where I assert that right. Those who drafted the US Constitution chose to affirm this right by putting it on paper a two and a half centuries ago (though many individual states choose to ignore this document) while Canadians, 25 years ago, chose to pretend the right of self determination does not exist. It is the right of self determination which gives us our freedom. Without that, we have nothing.
I'm certain there is much more to this story and expect we may hear more in days to come. Or maybe not, if the news media doesn't feel the story fits the liberal agenda. For instance: racially motivated crimes are newsworthy depending on the race of the victim and the perpetrator. One way, it's good for a 15 minute segment; flip it around and it's good for a fifteen second sound bite and you never hear another word.

New developments:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/teens...rolina-woman-killed-along-remote-highway

Five dead people in a small, remote area sounds like a serial killer at work to me.

Still more questions than answers. GD

? 3 dead, 2 missing? hard to keep count, sadly. I love that area of northern BC, been through there several times.

2018...Anyone have any info regarding this:

http://www.iheartradio.ca/ez-rock/e...pearance-of-family-from-oregon-1.3919496

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said at a news conference that Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, from Port Alberni, British Columbia, are the main suspects in the slayings of 23-year-old Australian Lucas Fowler, and his American girlfriend Chynna Deese, 24, who were discovered shot to death on July 15 along the side of the Alaska Highway near Liard Hot Springs, British Columbia.

SheriffJoe;
Good evening to you sir, I hope that all is as it should be in your world tonight.

With the understanding that the last time I traveled the road up through to Dease Lake last in 1987, I can only relay how it was then.

Back then, it was gravel - more or less well maintained gravel, but gravel and about as good as the average log haul road is here in southern BC.

It is, or was anyway, incredibly lightly used and it's very remote in all manners of the description. Sorta like when you're travelling out of Lusk, Wyoming and the sign says "Next fuel so many hundred miles away".... and you've only passed two semis in the last hour, right?

Well the road into Dease we didn't see another vehicle going either way for over 4 hours as I recall.

It is, as we are known to say down here in southern BC, as spot definitely, "far from your mother's loving arms".

When we did the trip we had spare fuel, lots and lots of food, tenting equipment, tarps and yes it goes without saying we were armed to the teeth.

Folks who aren't used to traveling in back country sometimes are lulled into a false sense of security that all places in this grand land are as safe and "user friendly" as the places they've been so far - but the sad fact is they've not been very far afield.

It's sad when this happens, it pains me deeply to see things like this or the young couple who were killed last week and I wish with all my heart it didn't happen.

What we both know beyond the shadow of a doubt however, is that terrible things do happen to good people, even here in relatively safe rural Canada.

Lastly, when I am teaching the survival night of Hunter Safety here in BC - it's a 3 nights a week for 3 weeks course to hunt here by the way - anyway I tell the class two things. First," the mountain doesn't care if you die on it "and second, "luck favors the prepared."

Anyway sir, that's just a few thoughts from a semi-old guy who's spent the last 35 years kicking around the back country in 3 provinces and a few western states too.

All the best to you as we head closer to fall.

Dwayne

Latest is the two missing boys are suspected of killing the other 3. The first killing was within a mile of where the boy's burning vehicle was found.

Which doesn't mean the boys aren't also dead somewhere, but LEO apparently has additional info not yet reported.

Last known location of the two, who are on the run and travelling in a stolen car, was northern Manitoba. RCMP say to call if you spot them. Unfortunately, shooting on sight is no longer an acceptable option. GD

i hunt and fish by the Canadian border also have a home 15 miles from the border ,i no longer go to Canada since the gun laws are so difficult now days. i don`t understand why Canada makes it so difficult to take even just a pump shotgun into Canada for my protection ?

C O N T R O L .

Not nearly as difficult as it is for a Canadian to take a shotgun or target rifle into the US, if you want to speak of control. The truth is, self protection is a state of mind as much as anything. Having said this, when I'm travelling in remote areas, I like to be armed. However, being armed without being vigilant doesn't do a lot of good and there can be little doubt that these people were taken unawares. GD

+1

A responsible armed citizen is ALWAYS vigilant or they should NOT be armed.

Uh huh...anytime someone points a firearm in your direction and YOU are unarmed qualifies as being "...taken unawares".

+2

I am sorry to learn this.

100% on vigilance.

Everybody is Johnny Rambo.
"I would XXX that Mf'er.
I carry a xx with xx cartridges in the mag, one in da tube,
and can hit what I shoot at".

Boy that sounds good.
Few assailants want to play quick draw, none want to give you a chance.
They will do their best to keep you calm, until a time of their choosing.
Then there is the mental processing time, shock that this is happening,
And finally, reaction time.

The click is running, and it rarely favors the good guy.

But again, nobody wants to confront this reality.
Having a gun makes them feel like superman.

The two young men are now, almost certainly, in Northern Manitoba and will likely be apprehended in the near future. If not, the mosquitoes will drive them to surrender or commit suicide! Of all the places I would like to spend time on the run, northern Manitoba is way down on the list. Mosquitoes, blackflies, horseflies, noseeums, Manitoba has it all. If you like insects that bite or suck, the northern prairies are the ideal destination.
I have spent a lot of time travelling alone, camping alone, sleeping in ditches, or in the back of my truck and I am as aware as most but I'm sure I could be caught unawares as well. The truth is, situations like this are extremely rare and it is unlikely a person will have to deal with it. Under these conditions, a lapse in vigilance is not just understandable but inevitable.
I think it is worth pointing out that the murders which took place in this instance were not the work of residents of northern BC but were perpetrated by a couple of youths travelling through. The rural north is certainly a lot safer than Detroit. GD

i am always prepared for a fight gun,knife and body i taught my kids to be careful too.always watch ,keep your back to the wall when possible ,escape route if needed. know where that weapon is trust no one. if someone points a weapon at you ,you better know what decision to make live or die you have 1/10 of a second and i plan on tellin the true story. yes its sad these 2 young people were killed but they believed the world is safe always taught by liberals. that is how people die thinking that way,truck stops,anytime your in a strange area,gas stations even cities are all dangerous. believe it or not the safest place to be is at a gun show everyone is packin then.be ready ,be safe always watching.

they ran back east, hope no one else get's hurt

As of 1 hour ago:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...rder-suspects/ar-AAEVEg9?ocid=spartanntp

these two thugs are going to be very dangerous now,probably end with a shoot out. let`s hope no one else gets hurt or killed but ??

Two young guys over 6 ft 4, how hard would it be to hide in Gillam? I was on a milk run through that small town in the early 90's, only time I ever was on a 737 that landed and took off from a gravel runway.

There is historical precedent for this. I refer to "The Mad Trapper from Rat River". Now there my friends, was one vicious psycho sob. Led the Queen's Cowboys on a merry chase, he did. Unbelievable stamina and toughness. Well worth the read, IMO.

flintlocke;
Good afternoon sir, I hope that the day is as nice down in your part of the world as it is up here in south central BC.

Although I've told these stories here previously, hopefully I can be forgiven for repeating them.

I've had a few "one off" connections with the Albert Johnson tale, starting with my late father who vividly recalled hearing updates from the hunt on the radio as it was unfolding. Dad was born in '20 so he'd have been 12 at the time.

Then there was the former RCAF pilot who was my elementary school principal, Mr. Sam Beaton who's son-in-law for a time owned the plane which Wop May chased the Mad Trapper with. He claimed there was still flight logs in the plane recording when he'd dropped charges near the trapper and such.

Finally, when we lived in Oliver, BC in the late '80's, there was a quiet older gentleman who lived at the end of our street who I knew was a retired RCMP member. Though his name escapes me right now, in talking with other retired RCMP members later on I learned he was the last living RCMP member who had been in on the chase. Though I'd have loved to talk to him about it, even if I'd known at the time he'd done that, in all likelihood I'd not have brought it up unless he did.

Anyway sir, for what it's worth there's my connections with the famous case from our north's past.

All the best to you as we head into the fall.

Dwayne

BC 30,
Thank you for posting that. Fascinating. That was one hell of a manhunt. I don't want to imply that, in any fashion, I find Johnson a romantic figure, he was a stone killer...but when I read the story, I followed, as best I could, Johnson's route on Google Earth. It just boggles my mind, that a man with only what he could carry on his back and a Savage .303 could traverse that many miles of rugged wilderness, lead the Mounties to exhaustion, lead their hired trackers to exhaustion in that climate for as long as he did. The book I read, was vague as to whether he disguised his trail or just wore out the pursuit. At any gate,the will to live or the determination to not return to prison was strong.

flintlocke;
Good evening sir and thanks for the reply.

For sure I didn't take it that you'd implied anything in your post other than relating the facts and indeed it is mind boggling how far he made it on very light rations.

Way back in the day - and perhaps still, I can't say for sure - but way back in the RCMP Museum in Regina they had the 3 arms taken from the body. There was a Savage 99, but I want to say it was a .30-30 and not a .303 - which is what my late father in law's father had on their farm.

I might be wrong about that detail, but that's running around in my head somehow. As well there was a single shot shotgun which had been cut down. It was perhaps a 16 gauge and looked like any Stevens or Iver Johnson of the turn of the century period. Lastly there was a small single shot, bolt action .22, but for the life of me I can't recall the type and it was also cut down.

Let's see if this works.

Sorry for the blurry photo, it was all I could find.

Anyway sir, again all the best to you as we head into the fall.

Dwayne

My mother-in-law's cousin lives in Gillam. Rest of her relatives are from The Pas, MB.

They are supposed to be visiting next week.

I'm thinking I'll hear some local info................

There is more than a little disagreement over who Albert Johnson even was. There is strong evidence the RCMP were called in over a trapline dispute, but by the the offender in the case. A J may have been acting in reasonable self defense.

Regardless of all that he did outrun a bunch of folks for a long time while carrying a prodigious pack.

don`t forget about the old baker in Alaska Bob Hansen killer and hunter .he did kill small very nice Alaskan animals too and did have a record or two on the animals he shot

Manhunt winding down...

haven't heard they found 'em...doubt they want to be caught alive

The manhunt is winding down because the RCMP lost them (not that they ever found them). I would expect them to head back west. First, they'll need to carjack a short, fat, Indian to drive for them and pump gas. Two 6'4", skinny, white guys are too easy to spot. GD

As of 4hrs ago:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...rder-suspects/ar-AAFkxIG?ocid=spartanntp

The young man was the son of a workmate of mine. Nice family. Hard to watch it unfold on TV.

bobnob17:
Good morning to you sir - or honestly it might be evening there - but greetings from southern BC.

We've got a fair number of Australian folks here, in my last work alone 2 of the tradesmen were from Aus, most come for the skiing and snowboarding and stay for the opportunities and lifestyle.

By all we could glean, the young man was well liked up on the ranch he was working on, which speaks volumes actually as ranch and stock work isn't easy on the best day, so folks who are disinclined to harder work drift from it in short order typically.

As mentioned by several posters, the area where the young couple were murdered is almost all tourists this time of year and they come from all parts of the globe to traverse the Alaska Highway.

Without minimizing the pain felt by the families of the deceased - one Australian, one American and a university professor from the Lower Mainland here, it's more than a bit of a shock to us BC residents who like to want to believe that we're safe from predatory human behavior outside the large urban centers and known gang affiliated areas.

For the most part that's still statistically the case and so help me I'll still continue to stop to help stranded vehicles on lonely back roads as it'd go against a lifetime of doing so not to, you know?

Indeed I am always armed and wary, but if I've got my head under the hood of an RV or pickup, it still would be no trick to off me and I get that.

Anyway lastly I'll comment that although I wish it wasn't so, I've come away feeling like the RCMP have performed in a much less than stellar manner - once again.

Please understand I am overall very pro LEO and have good friends who are retired and current serving members of the LEO community. That said, speaking privately even some RCMP members aren't happy with the current status quo and LEO who are not RCMP absolutely are able to see the many flaws in their day to day policing methods.

My goodness I wish I didn't feel that way sir, but as the Ian Tyson song says, "Wishin don't make it so"

If the opportunity arises, please extend my most sincere condolences to your workmate sir. It's changed our lives too and not one iota for the better.

All the best to you as we head into the fall.

Dwayne

Thanks for the message Dwayne.

Very nice of you, and most interesting too.

- Bob

Suspects found Dead

https://globalnews.ca/news/5736937/bc-manhunt-suspects-rcmp/

the end

Appears they weren't that good at the "Wilderness" thing. Glad of that.


Condolences to all the families and residents involved.

Thanks to those that suffered doing their duty in all operations tracking them down.