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I dragged the tip of 5 of the Rem 100s across a piece of 100 grit sandpaper, reducing the length to 0.945"; have them loaded up and will fire them in the morning, weather permitting.

For what it’s worth, I’ve got a 1 in 14” twist 99R in 250 savage that will shoot recent manufacture Remington factory Ammo, 100gr Corelokt right at 1” for 5 shots, and the 87gr Speer hot cores at 3/4” for 5 shots. That’s off a bench at 100 yards. You just never know unless you try!

It's well documented and accepted that the 250-3000 was engineered and built around the 87 grain bullet so as to hit the magic marketing MV number of the times at 3000 ft/s

Short for caliber 100 grain bullets do pretty well in most but not all early 1-14" rifles.

We have been over this 1,000 times in the past 10 years.

It's like we don't believe it, so we have to analyze it in infinitum and minute of minutia to make ourselves believe it every day.

I guess that is what gun geeks do.

Carry on

I hear you, Randy. I bet $100 we'll explore the phenomenon again inside of six months though.

The country is gripped with Creedmoor fever on top of which everybody and his cousin aspires to be a long range killer-diller. To that end of course the unwashed masses will insist on cramming loooong bullets into 100 year old cartridges, and wonder why they don't work.

Sorry. Feeling a little acerbic right now. My car puked its coolant today in the heat. Tomorrow bodes ill for my pocketbook.

Nothing wrong with that. Somedays turn out better with a little "attitude." Hope the car turns out costing less than you anticipate.

I believe you are misinformed. Charles Newton designed the cartridge for 100 grain bullets at 2800 fps. Savage, in their quest for marketing hype, insisted on introducing it with the 87 grain pills to reach 3000 fps.

In any case, it's still a great little cartridge. Someday I'll find a nice Savage 1920 in .250.

Doug

I may have misspoke Doug, but I am not misinformed. "Savage" built, developed, re-engineered if you will, marketed and released the 250-3000 Savage around the 87 grain bullet.


I'm not sure what Newton called his cartridge (250 Savage?), but it wasn't the "250-3000" Savage.

When I asked the original question, I new the topic would morf into what it has. Randy, you know John. Several years ago Johns old hunting buddy gave him 300 100 gr Rem Corlokts, to give to me. I posted my good luck here, and within the first couple reply's some one asked SPECIFICALLY, "Are they the old pointed ones, or the newer blunt ones? The old style pointed ones work better in the 1:14." Well, they were the blunt ones just like you get in common factory loads. John's buddy, Jim, passed away. His kids gave John all of his loading stuff. Two weeks ago John was going through an ammo box of 257 bullets. There was a jug with 500 100 gr PSP's. My question was to the person who had asked about the pointed 100 gr bullets. I asked were the PSP's the ones I should be looking for? That's all, no more no less. I even said I had two 250's that were designated NON 100 gr guns. One of which is your 1919 250-3000. I had John mic them and they are .970, so I figure they are too long, and not the ones whoever responded to my old post was referring to. Maybe I'll go over Johns and load up some 87's to see which gun shoots the best pattern, your 1919 with iron sites and 87's, or my 1950 R with the scope and 100's. I know the R can put 3 in a paper plate at 200, did that with Gary at the IWL.

All these many decades of talk and print about 250-3000's and what bullets could have been avoided if Savage had twisted the 250 right from the get go. Crazy.

I've got 20+ different types of .257 bullets going in the yard sale this weekend because you only need 87 grain Speers in the 250, period. I've got 87 grain Hornady's too, and they are in two lengths, long and short! 75 grain Sp, HP, SPHP! 60 grainers, flat and pointed, 100 grainers by the box, probably 10 different brands! Who cares?! Just shoot the Speers and dump the rest! Not worth the headaches!

Is it possible Savage had to go with the 1-14 to get the 3,000 fps? Would a 1-10 twist impede velocity?

I'm no expert on the matter but have always wondered if that's why they did it.

Educate me.

All that being said, I shoot both 87 grain and 100 Rem CL. In my 250 EG they have almost the same exact POI at 100 yards.

The 1919 that lives at Joe's house now shot 100 gr Rem grain factory loads minute of quarter at 50 yards with the factory open sights.

I'm guessing they played around with different twist rates that gave them the velocity (3000 ft) and accuracy they wanted with the 87 grain bullet and 1-14 was the best solution. But that is a WAG

Begs the question, I wonder if the short bullets shoot like crap in the newer 1-10's?

I don't think so, modern 1-10" twists get to 3000fps easy enough.

Remember that high velocity cartridges were NEW. Smokeless powder was only a few decades old.

I'm willing to bet they were worried about spinning the bullets of the time too fast and causing failures. Only wildcatters had gone to 3000fps before this.

PS: The REAL question is why did they continue the 1-14" twist for 45 years? I could forgive them the first 10 years.. but it should have been changed decades earlier.

Nope, they shoot fine.

So, exactly how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?!

just measured several recent manufacture Speer Hot Core spitzer 100 at .945-.950. They work fairly well in my 1953 m99R, just not as well as the 87

Thanks, my 1950 R shoots the 100 CL great. We loaded up 100 87gr, 10 rounds each with 3031, Varget, and I think some Win 760. Varying charges. We will see how they shoot soon.

4895 and Big Game are both working well in my Ruger M77, and the M99R