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I carried the H&K P9S all over creation for a couple of years. Accurate, ergonomic, and accurate.
Should also mention that it was accurate... I remember seeing those at the gun stores back in the early 1980s. I handled one, and thought (at that time) that the trigger action was very innovative. Also, if you ever played the original Resident Evil 2 you will recognize it as Officer Kennedy's sidearm. After you kill many dozens of zombies fighting your way back to the police station (as Officer Leon Kennedy), you acquire a shoulder stock for it, permitting the three shot burst feature, which allows you to kill zombies even easier. Wait a minute. On second thought, I think I'm remembering the VP 70Z.
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I thought the same about the P7 until I owned a couple. They were OK, but IMO are very overrated. Nice collector pieces for sure, but for a shooter a lot of modern pistols have surpassed them (by a long way) in my experience. They do have a certain flair though, without question. I've always been more interested in shooting than collecting, so mine went on down the road.
I think my favorite steel frame 9mm pistols are the CZ75 series and Tanfoglio (EAA Witness) pistols, with a caveat - they almost all need some internal polishing and other work to be smoothed out and have great triggers. The match versions of both brands are generally capable of excellent accuracy and are very mild to shoot when tuned right. Pretty empty comparison, your preferred pistol that needs work and you think a P7 is surpassed today. Overrated? Well again a mighty empty bowl you are serving up. It wasn't a comparison at all. I didn't say the CZ75 is my preferred pistol, I said it was my favorite steel frame 9mm, which is what the OP asked for. There are a number of other pistols I like better that are not steel frames. I don't carry a CZ75, and don't leave one in the car or on the nightstand. The P7 is a great choice if we pretend it's still 1975. But compared to a lot of modern guns - the appeal of the P7 is mostly nostalgia, not performance.
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Browning Hi-Power, with magazine disconnect removed, P-7, and P210. Be Well. Rusty
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Walther P88-C / Walther P5 / Beretta Brigadier INOX / Beretta 92SB Compact M / Fabrique National Hi-Power / and the CZ 85 Combat. Also a Beretta Billennium : All steel construction, single-action only, adjustable trigger, front & rear sights, etc.+ . . . <> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IEVMs7J4v9I/maxresdefault.jpg <> 1 of 2000
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Finishing this one up; still needs a good 5 lb duty trigger job. Military contract MK III (no FPS), cerakoted, sights worked on by Justin McMillan, Uncle Mikes stocks. Awesome pistola-basic, reliable but not "pretty". Destined to be a fave. Bob ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/hZVYg04.jpg) Close-up of the re-contoured factory rear sight. White stripes and grooves removed, serrations added. A perfect combat rear sight...black, fixed and serrated. Big enough to see without being too big. Front sight got the same treatment. Justin McMillan, former master AMU gunsmith, did the work. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/a078Pq9.jpg)
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Reading theses posts,and trying to come up with an answer,
keeps me thinking, "yes cool, but a XXXXX is lighter, smaller, and holds more rounds
doing it. Which isn't the answer to this question, but it was enlightening to me.
P-7, I wish they were lighter. The nicest shooting 9 i have ever fired.
Maybe a box through.
Beretta 92, have fired several, really like them for a big gun. Prefer the Taurus safety.
I almost bought a Sig p-938 a couple months ago used.
Been looking for a similar deal since.
So, if I'm willing to let go of dollars for one.....
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Good stuff, re: post about Steel frames, I mentioned all metal, to include alloy frames as well. Just non-polymer.....
Learning a great bit of info here by all, appreciate posts and pics. Thanks to all.
Read the Hi Power sometimes has a feeding issue....perhaps with JHPs, has anyone had that or know of it happening?
Thanks again.
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Good stuff, re: post about Steel frames, I mentioned all metal, to include alloy frames as well. Just non-polymer.....
Learning a great bit of info here by all, appreciate posts and pics. Thanks to all.
Read the Hi Power sometimes has a feeding issue....perhaps with JHPs, has anyone had that or know of it happening?
Thanks again. Supposedly the older guns with the humped feed ramp have issues with JHPs. My experience with several BHPs is to shoot the particular gun and see. Most I've shot didn't have any feeding issues. Many custom smiths straighten the feed ramp when tuning an older BHP. Newer guns like the MK III have a straight ramp. Bob ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/rwbLj9S.jpg)
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Finishing this one up; still needs a good 5 lb duty trigger job. Military contract MK III (no FPS), cerakoted, sights worked on by Justin McMillan, Uncle Mikes stocks. Awesome pistola-basic, reliable but not "pretty". Destined to be a fave. Bob Close-up of the re-contoured factory rear sight. White stripes and grooves removed, serrations added. A perfect combat rear sight...black, fixed and serrated. Big enough to see without being too big. Front sight got the same treatment. Justin McMillan, former master AMU gunsmith, did the work. Nice! I like everything about that one, except the safety lever.
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I have never had an opportunity to lay hands on a Baretta. But I helped my buddy pump rounds through a SS Taurus 92 which was built shortly after Taurus purchased the Brazilian factory from Baretta.
The Taurus 92 shot well with everything we threw at it. The only malfunction I ever saw was when my 12 year old daughter limp wristed it.
And based on performance of a Witness in 38 Super, I could be happy with either model in 9 mm.
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Finishing this one up; still needs a good 5 lb duty trigger job. Military contract MK III (no FPS), cerakoted, sights worked on by Justin McMillan, Uncle Mikes stocks. Awesome pistola-basic, reliable but not "pretty". Destined to be a fave. Bob Close-up of the re-contoured factory rear sight. White stripes and grooves removed, serrations added. A perfect combat rear sight...black, fixed and serrated. Big enough to see without being too big. Front sight got the same treatment. Justin McMillan, former master AMU gunsmith, did the work. Very nice.
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I have never had an opportunity to lay hands on a Baretta. But I helped my buddy pump rounds through a SS Taurus 92 which was built shortly after Taurus purchased the Brazilian factory from Baretta.
The Taurus 92 shot well with everything we threw at it. The only malfunction I ever saw was when my 12 year old daughter limp wristed it.
And based on performance of a Witness in 38 Super, I could be happy with either model in 9 mm. the beretta wins the beauty contest, but the tarus is the dodge power wagon. when they first started coming in, they didn't have the decocker, just a on/off safety. i put thousands of rounds of fmj, lead, jcp all kinds of stuff through one, never and issue. the later ones coming in had the decocker. I have shot the beretta 92 brigadeer too and it's a well made pistol. but kind of big and heavy compared to others. i think the cz line of 75's is a later rendtion of a hi power in a lot of ways. one not mentioned here but i think should be is the sauer p6 in government issue, and 225 for civilian use. on the p6 change out the springs to lighten and you have the 225. only 8 round capacity but they are accurate.
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Thanks above Bob for info on feeding and pics, nice BHP above.
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S&W 5903 alloy frame adjustable sights. The 5900s got the look; not alike but same type beauty as the Hi Power. Like the Model 15 in revolvers. Just got the look. And work pretty well too. Factory adjustable sights add to it and enhance function.
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The Springfield Armory EMP 4" is my all time favorite all metal auto.
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/ueGyF9d.jpg) Love my BHP Practical model
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Toss-up................Beretta 92 Compact or Sig 225-A1, after that a full sized 92 A1.
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Sentimental fave...my old LAPD 92FS, carried daily in LA for many years. New barrel and slide (2nd slide installed by the Armory because the original had lost almost all the finish). This one has had in excess of 30,000 rds down range (free city ammo). A good friend that's never malfunctioned. Bob ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/QcWLl8s.jpg)
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Toss up for me between S&W 3rd gen and Beretta 92FS
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Beretta M9, of which I have 2, nd a new to me S&W 5906. [img] http://imgur.com/gallery/2mPBZzd[/img]
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