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Originally Posted by Brad
I'm struggling to understand how this is even a question...

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If he'd said moose would opinion be the same? Saves me a post.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Because so many hunters think elk won't die unless they're shot with a .300 or .338 magnum. Or they've heard that from somebody....


I’m always astonished how many locals - often native Montanan’s - are so-armed. I suppose it’s a group-think/peer-pressure/testosterone-laden type of thing. Of course, even locals can have very little experience killing elk, and are susceptible to the common idea - spread via various media - that a magnum is a requirement for killing elk.

I have a friend that grew up in Helena, and had good opportunity to hunt elk. As a teen, in his and various other relatives hands, his 7mm-08 took over a dozen elk. Somehow though, in his twenties, he felt certain he needed a 300 RUM. He does, however, drive a big jacked-up 3/4 ton truck. I asked him if he’d ever had trouble killing elk with his 7-08, and he replied “never.”

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Because so many hunters think elk won't die unless they're shot with a .300 or .338 magnum. Or they've heard that from somebody....


Yes and to think in days of yore people have been reported as even shooting moose with a 30-30 can you believe that. Cheers NC


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I think it was Bob Hagel that said “Don’t choose your caliber based on what you can get away with when everything goes right. Choose something that will work when everything goes wrong”

Very few people need a magnum for most situations and probably even less can shoot well enough to make the shot even when it would be necessary. I know I shoot better when I’m not getting body slammed every time I pull the trigger.

I did shoot my last elk with a 7mm08 but I doubt I’ll do it again. Yes it’s dead but, personally, I feel better with some more bullet weight in the air. I’m looking at a 35 Whelen right now.

I know guys that shoot piles of deer with 223’s but I wouldn’t do that either...

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Because so many hunters think elk won't die unless they're shot with a .300 or .338 magnum. Or they've heard that from somebody....


Hey John,
You should have posted this before I bought that 300 WM. You know, of course, that is just for target practice.

Thanks again to all that replied. Now, I just have to be healthy enough to go.

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Originally Posted by donsm70
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Because so many hunters think elk won't die unless they're shot with a .300 or .338 magnum. Or they've heard that from somebody....


Hey John,
You should have posted this before I bought that 300 WM. You know, of course, that is just for target practice.

Thanks again to all that replied. Now, I just have to be healthy enough to go.

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Enjoy your hunt sir, and come back and regale us with your adventure. Post pics please.
I’ve had nothing but great results with the 150 NP, and have every expectation that you will too.

The trouble with magnums comes with those pesky short range opportunities that present themselves so often when pussy footing around. I do like my .338 when in active grizzly country. Let your guid worry about that though.

Cheers, and Good Hunting


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Originally Posted by Brad
I'm struggling to understand how this is even a question...



Yes, for the 10,000th time.....


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Originally Posted by ingwe
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Is the 700 in 7-08 up to the task?
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Yes. Slam Dunk.


So the same would apply to a 308 and 165 Partitions or how about 130gr TTSXs? Also, I have a personal limit of around 350 yards and I am not much of a knob turner. I've had great luck using the B&C reticle out to 350 yards.


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I have killed bulls with a 270 and a 44 magnum handgun. A 7mm-08 or 308 will certainly kill any elk alive with good bullets and reasonable shot placement.

The Partition would be an excellent bullet for the task.

The 300 yard self imposed limit makes it even more of a no brainer.

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Is the 700 in 7-08 up to the task?
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Yes. Slam Dunk.


So the same would apply to a 308 and 165 Partitions or how about 130gr TTSXs? Also, I have a personal limit of around 350 yards and I am not much of a knob turner. I've had great luck using the B&C reticle out to 350 yards.


I’d be just fine myself with any of those combos. A good shot is a good shot. Elk are tough but none of them can live long without lungs or heart.


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I’ve killed a few elk with the 7-08 and the 150 NPT as well as the 140 NPT. All within 200 yards and no tracking required.

Take it and go have fun. It’ll do it for sure.


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The 150 ABLR might eat into powder capacity a bit. To 300 yds, I'd run the following:

150 PT
140 AB
150 NBT

One other option, the 120 Barnes, but at modest speeds, the above 3 will give you solid performance.


That's a good looking bullet but in my three 7x57s and a .280 Remington it's about useless. I'd originally on using that one in the 7x57 as a means of getting a little more range but accuracy has not been good. I keep trying different seating depths but the best I've gotten in any of my rifles is three inches. Guess I'll just have to go with the Partition.
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Which one the ABLR? Some bullets simply do not sync great with various throating on certain rifles, etc. or for whatever unknown reason just are fickle.

I say shoot what you are comfortable using....Literally. I bet the youngster using the 300 RUM is not as comfortably feeling that go off, vs when he used his 7/08 wink

Displacement cannot substitute Shot Placement........So be sure you can hit vitals. I recall Sam Fadala writing about his wife going hunting Elk with her Sako 7/08. She knocked one over before they realized she grabbed the 'wrong ammo' - and used factory 140 Corelokt. Likely the original loading that IIRC, used the 139 Hornady IL-SP. I took aim with that very bullet chambered in a 20" Win M70 carbine on an elk at 40 yds one fall in Colorado....but it was not legal. Next day I bumped off a Mule Deer in the same spot, but at 115 paces. Did quite a number on that deer, thru the neck and unfortunately exited hitting the spine/backstrap and hind quarter.......doing quite a bit of damage. It would have done an elk no good. I do not like the current 140 CL that Rem calls "New CL" - do not seem to be accurate when I tried them.

Good luck on your hunt OP - have confidence.

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A few years back, like maybe 8 or so I thought I was going on an elk hunt. The guys on the forum (Not this forum) kept telling everyone that for elk you need a 7 mag minimum and that a .300 or .338 mag would be so much better. So I never having shot an elk bought a 7mag off a Gun Broker auction for $205 with the intent of having it re-barreled to .308 Norma. Then a guy I knew said he had a .300 Weatherby he'd sell me. So I bought it for $1000. It's a Lazer Mark and a damn nice gun (which I still have). But I ended up leaving the 7 Rem. Mag as a 7 MM Remington Mag (and still have it)and Then I didn't go on the elk hunt. Now that I have two magnum rifles, I get on here with some very experienced elk hunters and I find very few here use magnums and most use everything from a 7-08, 7x57, to a .270 and .30-06. I have a 7x57, a .270 Win. and a .30-06, so I guess if I get the opportunity I'll have plenty of choices. And I shoot my .270 so well, I've had it for 53 years and killed a slew of deer and hogs with it, that I'm thinking from what I read here that I'll load me up some 140 or 150 grain NP over some RL 22 and go kill an elk.

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Originally Posted by donsm70
Here is my dilema. I have a wilderness horseback elk hunt (probably my last) scheduled for the fall of 2020 in Wyoming.


How is that a dilemma, exactly...? laugh


As long as my bullet speed exceeds 2800 fps I am perfectly confident in it out to 350 yards.


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Thanks again to all that have replied. I have enjoyed the thread and you guys have confirmed my suspicions. 7-08 with well placed 150 gr NP equals dead elk.

PS. I may have 10 or 12 rifles up for sale very soon.

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Originally Posted by Filaman
A few years back, like maybe 8 or so I thought I was going on an elk hunt. The guys on the forum (Not this forum) kept telling everyone that for elk you need a 7 mag minimum and that a .300 or .338 mag would be so much better. So I never having shot an elk bought a 7mag off a Gun Broker auction for $205 with the intent of having it re-barreled to .308 Norma. Then a guy I knew said he had a .300 Weatherby he'd sell me. So I bought it for $1000. It's a Lazer Mark and a damn nice gun (which I still have). But I ended up leaving the 7 Rem. Mag as a 7 MM Remington Mag (and still have it)and Then I didn't go on the elk hunt. Now that I have two magnum rifles, I get on here with some very experienced elk hunters and I find very few here use magnums and most use everything from a 7-08, 7x57, to a .270 and .30-06. I have a 7x57, a .270 Win. and a .30-06, so I guess if I get the opportunity I'll have plenty of choices. And I shoot my .270 so well, I've had it for 53 years and killed a slew of deer and hogs with it, that I'm thinking from what I read here that I'll load me up some 140 or 150 grain NP over some RL 22 and go kill an elk.


Yeah, it’s a generally fickle bunch on Internet forums when it comes to rifles. Or scopes. LOL!


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Never have shot the 150 partition at elk in a 7-08, but they would work for sure. I've shot 14 elk with 140 grain accubonds from my 7-08 from 50-620 yards.

Day before yesterday, my 14 year old nephew shot this cow in Wyoming with his 7-08 and a 120 grain ballistic tip at 231 yards...load particulars 46.5 grains H380 MV 2825 FPS. Broke the on side shoulder bullet was just under the hide about 3 inches behind the off shoulder. Elk ran about 25 yards, swayed for a couple seconds and down.

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I shot this cow last night with my newly re-barreled and refinished ruger tang safety m77 in 6mm. My Dad and Grandfather bought this rifle new for me in 1979 and was my first big-game rifle. Good to have Dad, my brother and 2 nephews along list night to see that rifle put back to use. Shot was 134 yards with a 95 grain ballistic tip, nicked the back of the on-side shoulder exited on the point of the off-shoulder. Ran maybe 30 yards.

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Great pics! Way to make meat buddy!

That 6mm looks wicked.


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Originally Posted by BuzzH
Never have shot the 150 partition at elk in a 7-08, but they would work for sure. I've shot 14 elk with 140 grain accubonds from my 7-08 from 50-620 yards.

Day before yesterday, my 14 year old nephew shot this cow in Wyoming with his 7-08 and a 120 grain ballistic tip at 231 yards...load particulars 46.5 grains H380 MV 2825 FPS. Broke the on side shoulder bullet was just under the hide about 3 inches behind the off shoulder. Elk ran about 25 yards, swayed for a couple seconds and down.

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I shot this cow last night with my newly re-barreled and refinished ruger tang safety m77 in 6mm. My Dad and Grandfather bought this rifle new for me in 1979 and was my first big-game rifle. Good to have Dad, my brother and 2 nephews along list night to see that rifle put back to use. Shot was 134 yards with a 95 grain ballistic tip, nicked the back of the on-side shoulder exited on the point of the off-shoulder. Ran maybe 30 yards.

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I think you meant niece....

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