Home Forums Hunting & Shooting General Big Game List reasons why one would get a .308win over .270win.

I chose the .270 win. over the .308W Win. for the simple reason that it will perform better as climate change begins to overtake the Earth. Don't ask me why but the "science" is settled between the two cartridges. Although I must say with rising temperatures, I'll have to cut-back at least one grain of H4831SC.

Those are most likely flatnose or roundnosed designs; a 30-30 with a Speer spitzer within its requisite 150 yards is akin to the 270 and 308 with Partitions, perhaps even in the TSX realm for digging, assuming it opens a smidge, and evenly at that.

The material, the meplat and the shove from the rear along with the resistance from the front all muddys the SD arguments.

Burning more powder to do the same thing may be the contributing factor to climate change....

The faster is moves the faster it stops. - Right.

He always does a great job.
I also thank you for it.

I knew someone was going to go there. Sheese! I know.....hot right? Money too!

Although it doesn't make sense to many. it is often the case that the same bullet driven fast will stop sooner than the same bullet driven slower.

Which of these two loads do you think will penetrate more one gallon water jugs?

1. .45-70, 460g hardcast @ 1812fps, 3354fpe
2. .45-70, 300g hardcast @ 1167fps, 907fpe


The "obvious" choice is also the wrong one.

In my testing the 460g hardcast penetrated 9 water jugs, stopping in the last one. Damage was extensive, with most jugs spectacularly blown up, and included breaking the crosspiece on the front sawhorse holding the board that held the water jugs.

Damage was far less impressive with the 300g bullet, which blew up a jug or two but left leaking entrance and exit holes in the others. Total penetration was 11 jugs with an exit in the last one.

If you're thinking this was a one-off test result, you would be mistaken. Similar results on multiple trips to the range. I've never caught the slower 300g bullet because i run out of board to rest the water jugs on.

I used to know a guy who used a 375 H&H for hunting deer in trees. He said he didn't worry about trees. He just shot through them.

When I got my first centerfire (7mm RM) I bet Big Brother it would shoot through a live 1-foot diameter pine tree. He bet it wouldn't.

He lost.

160g Speer Grand Slam.

The fact remains the most accurate way to compare bullets of different caliber is not weight, it is SD/BC numbers. The better comparison of a 270/150 is not a 308/150, it is a 308/180 (or at the very least a 165).

I've used both the 270 and 308 on everything from coyotes and antelope, through all manner of deer, up to elk. I've used 130's, 140, qnd 150's in the 270, and 150's and 165's in the 308 (though have tested 180's for penetration). What a bullet will do to deer isn't how I judge a bullet... it's just not much of a test. Elk sized game is what I think constitutes a real test for bullets. The 308 Win is my hand's down favorite cartridge (I currently have three), and for elk I mostly load 165's to get just a bit more penetration than comparable 150's. I'm completely aware 150 will work and work well... I just prefer a deeper dig and two holes if I can get them. Pretty simple really...

Well thank you Dan. It's a gift,but at least I'm responding to therapy and will hopefully be normal soon.

Thanks John,

I may be confused,but at least I'm clear about it. Kinda like the Baptist Preachers of my youth,I may not be right but I'm never in doubt.

Am familiar with Baptist preachers of that era! My maternal grandfather was one....

By the way, I also used to know a guy who grew up in the same Pennsylvania town as John Alden Knight, who developed the tables. During summers my friend Dave made money caddying at the local golf course, and caddied for Knight a LOT.

Once day Dave got up the nerve to ask him, "Mister Knight, do your tables really work?

Knight looked at him, then asked, "How many days a week do you caddy for me?"

Dave thought, then said, "Most days."

Alden said, "Then I'd say they work...."

Wonderful story.

The guy was a genius, a couple of my buddies live by those tables, I was thinking about Ed Zern,who understood them better than anybody,and used them to conceive his children and cook pasta if I remember correctly.

I have a number of Baptist preachers in my family as well;I still feel guilty about hunting on Sunday,I do it anyways(always after church),but hope nobody sees me. Like foolin around with your wife,It's just better to keep somethings concealed from the neighbors.

They think I'm eccentric enough already and it is kind of a Baptist environment here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Well simple really, the cops and military don't use 270's and if SHTF you can all ways get 308's from the cops and military if you need it bad enough.

If SHTF, nothing will be gotten from LE or military.


If one is not handloading/reloading, regardless of the chosen cartridge, they are WAY behind the curve.

270 is the laser of death.

Does Lapua make a Scenar in .277" dia? I THINK NOT!!!

Which one is on sale?

Amazing that the 270 still exists without a ‘scenar’, wow.

Jerry