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in the market for an o/u in 20 gauge. looking at the ones made in Turkey. any one have any first hand info?
thanks

I have the ATI Cavalry in 20 ga, comes in around 5.5 lbs or a tad less as I recall.no complaints yet but I’ve only had it two years now.

Got a few
CZ, tri star mostly. For the money you can't beat either

Which cz’s ya got gitem?

Huglu is the Turkish manufacturer for CZ.
I would look at the Churchill for an O/U.

I have a Canvasback. A Bobwhit G2 and an All American Trap Single...


For the money the Trap gun is a ton of gun
Out the door was about 1250. But if you put a Browning name on it it would be 4k. Fully adjustable comb and butt stock. Lengthened forcing cones. High rib. Adjustable trigger. And a set of 5 Briley tubes

I’m in the same boat, looking for a cheap, light upland gun. I’m leaning towards some of the Yildiz guns because of the good reviews. Stevens 555 also seems popular. A guy I shoot skeet with regularly shoots $3000k+ O/Us but got a Tristar Hunter EX at Walmart for $350 and said he loves it.

Depending on your budget, you can also find used Browning’s and Marlin model 90s for the same price as a lot of new Turkish guns.

There is a lot more to the Huglu brand, both good and bad, than most realize. It is worth looking into their history.

Copy that, how do you like the canvasback?

It's a very well put together gun. Though I prefer my Franchi instinct

Don't overlook the new Weatherby Orion either. I put 100 rounds through one of the sporting models a few weeks ago on a clays course.

When it comes to over/unders, it is awfully hard to justify not simply getting a used Beretta.

When it comes to shotguns-O/U's, semi-auto-I've seen most of the off brand copies eventually fold and go away, with the owner left with something no one wants or can't get repaired when something breaks. Even the best will break with hard use. Renato Gamba is a fine Italian shotgun that tried to gain a place in the American market. They were a good as anything coming out of Italy, but couldn't complete with the established names. Another example would be the Spanish Keman. You practically have to give a Renato Gamba away today in America and the Keman is no longer made. AyA is now no longer making shotguns. However for a SxS, a lower grade Aya Matador would be a much wiser buy than anything coming out of Turkey today.

When it comes to O/U''s, the best move is to save your dollars until you can buy something established. There are more than a few used and reasonably priced Beretta and Browning shotguns out there that would be a smarter purchase than anything coming out of Turkey. Combine it with the fact the Turkish economy is in the trash and the political climate such the stability of any Turkish company is something to consider. Three of the countries that border Turkey are Iran, Iraq and Syria.

Over on Upland Journal there is a Beretta 686 Black Onyx for $1150, Beretta BL3 for $1150, and an Uggie side by side for $875. All 20 guages. If I hadn't just bought a new truck.....

If you don't mind the plain version, you can get a used "Onyx" version Beretta 686 pretty much everyday on Gunbroker for $999.

And either would keep you in the uplands for a lifetime. Will be shopping for a 28 gauge soon and it most likely be a SP 1 . Not as pretty as I want but it will last me the rest of my hunting days .

Weatherby

Morning, Bill here. Worry about how it feels in your hands & how it shoulders!!!!., Most machine shops can make any part that will break inside. How it feels etc. Will go farther for you than a $5000.00 of whatever other make ,that doesn't fit you!!!! But there's some reeeely nice old berettas around for cheap cheap. I (once he'd) a little beretta ,,,, S model I think, double triggers, vent rib, was like holding a virgins legs/();:@@@@ sorry off track this morning ! I'm out 🐾👣🐾👣🇨🇦

Worrying about parts availability IS a serious concern with these Turkish guns as they tend to break much more often than the norm. A machine shop can make any part but it will cost you. Paying $60 for an $8 part to put in a $300 gun (and that is what most Turkish O/U are worth once money changes hands) is not an economical situation, particularly when parts need to be replaced regularly. It also does not consider that a given part may need fitting to operate properly. An O/U or SxS requires more fitting of parts than a pump or autoloader which is one reason they cost more.

The more expensive "higher end" Turkish guns may be more reliable but that is an unknown. Even if they do, parts are a concern as mentioned. As they cost as much or more than the base line Beretta or Browning guns which are proven and have an extensive and long recognized presence here, it would be a much smarter decision to go with them.

I've been bitten by the cheap gun syndrome and it seldom works out in favor of the buyer. Quality costs and is much of the reason for the higher price of some guns. If cost is a concern, look at used guns by Beretta, Browning, and even SKB. You will find something in your desired price range and odds are great it will give longer, trouble free service than an O/U from Turkey.

I sure do agree with this. Depending on model and condition, it will cost you more up front, but you will have a substantially better gun.

Sir, as far as I can tell AyA is still in the business of making firearms. The Spanish shotgun company Ugartechea has closed up shop. I too would take an Old Matador over most of Turkeys offerings at this time.