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Re: evidence of floods.
I recently watched a Nova presentation on the floods over the Scablands of Wa State. It seems Lake Missoula in Montana filled and broke the ice dam and drained multiple times during previous ice ages. The waters raced across N Id and Wa State leaving a miles wide path of destruction behind.
Core samples from just off shore show the various sediment layers deposited by various floods.
We know the Salt Lake Basin was once filled with water. My understanding is that it drained down the Snake River cutting the Snake River Canyon in just a matter of days.
Hell's Canyon was once dammed at the top near Farewell Bend Or. There are stories of a volcanic eruption which blocked the canyon, and of course periodic ice dams must have occurred. Thus Lake Bonneville was formed which at different times covered SW Idaho, SE Oregon, most of Utah, and a big hunk of Nevada.
Lots and lots of regional floods. But no, nothing which inundated the entire Earth.
It is interesting to me that the Chinese have written histories which go back 6000 years. Ancient oriental art depicts orientals as always having oriental eyes. Interesting to know how they had those eyes before the flood, and how descendants of Noah who later resettled in the orient also came to have oriental eyes. You missed the correct interpretation of the sediments from many floods. They are sediments from One Flood produced as the tides caused currants in the flooded world. The Chinese came into being after the Flood. They are descendants of one of Noah's kids. Ringman, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're spouting nonsense. 6-day genesis literalism (the idea the earth is only 6000 years old) is so thoroughly discredited that to continue to believe it the equivalent of believing the earth is flat. Because you believe the opposite of what I believe doesn't make me wrong or you correct. By the way, I think the earth is about 7,000 years old. I changed my position after watching the youtube video "How long were the Israelites in Egypt?"
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Floods happen world wide, which does not mean that there was a single world drowning deluge. There is plenty of evidence for the former, nothing for the latter. Plus after the ice age, the most probable source of flood stories, people were living in small family units or tribes, hence if a group of people saved themselves from a local flood event, it was a family unit.
When's the last time you heard of a continent wide flood? That is what is necessary to form some of the mountains. The world wide flood solves that problem.
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You missed the correct interpretation of the sediments from many floods. They are sediments from One Flood produced as the tides caused currants in the flooded world. The Chinese came into being after the Flood. They are descendants of one of Noah's kids.
Just ONE???????????? grin Lake Missoula is estimated to have held about half the water volume of Lake Michigan. During glacial periods an ice dam formed preventing outflow of the Clark Fork River near the Idaho/Montana border. Periodically (on an average of every 55 years) the ice dam would rupture and allow outflow of the entire lake. Most recently over a period of 2000 years, 15,000 to 13,000 years ago. The oldest evidence of such a flood indicates it happened 1.5 million years ago. Evidence strongly suggest there were at least 25 massive floods across Montana, Idaho, Washington, and down the Columbia River Gorge. Flow rates are estimated by various authorities as ten times to ninety times the flow of today's Amazon River, with maximum water velocities around 80 MPH. The core samples previously mentioned show sedimentary layers deposited on the ocean floor from these various flood events with specific dating from each layer. The "One Flood" would have destroyed all evidence of such paltry events, no? No. It would have generated them. That's some of what you are reading about. I do believe there was one ice age after the Flood. Most certainly some of what you are reading about happened then.
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And the obvious question; how did the Kangaroos make their way from the Ark in the middle east to Australia where they settled? During the ice age the ocean was much lower than now. They migrated there.
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Once Noah got the Ark built how long did it take him to go to N.America,S,America,Australia,etc,etc and collect 2 of every animal. Then he had to have food for all of them and once the flood was over he had to get the animals back to their proper place. Did he have help from Santa ? Ever here of Pangea? Prior to the Flood there was one land mass. The super continent broke during the Flood. Some computer models showed they moved a several meters per second.
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Once Noah got the Ark built how long did it take him to go to N.America,S,America,Australia,etc,etc and collect 2 of every animal. Then he had to have food for all of them and once the flood was over he had to get the animals back to their proper place. Did he have help from Santa ? Ever here of Pangea? Prior to the Flood there was one land mass. The super continent broke during the Flood. Some computer models showed they moved a several meters per second. Dinosaurs were roaming the earth then,no humans
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Once Noah got the Ark built how long did it take him to go to N.America,S,America,Australia,etc,etc and collect 2 of every animal. Then he had to have food for all of them and once the flood was over he had to get the animals back to their proper place. Did he have help from Santa ? Ever here of Pangea? Prior to the Flood there was one land mass. The super continent broke during the Flood. Some computer models showed they moved a several meters per second. Dinosaurs were roaming the earth then,no humans dinosaurs were used as the basic template or preliminary design for the mammals. getting the details worked out, prior to the advance of the next level of sophistication. it's all connected, even interconnected. our old reptilian brains are at the base of the new brain. what we've got here is a steady advance. we can call it order from chaos, pure chance, pure god, or combinations. monkey brains leaving the forest, heading out on the savannahs, enduring saber tooth tigers, and settling in great cities. now, great cities aren't enough for us. oh no. it's mars or bust. but first we must have settlements on the moon, and then on mars. your average squirrel can't even conceive of such. once he gets a hollow tree full of nuts for the winter he's satisfied. not us Naked Apes.
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I've read that there is far more evidence to prove creation than evolution. You read it in Creationist literature. It's not science. I
Evolution was pushed by athiests, Marxists, and Communists for over 100 years. It's not pushed by anyone. It has stood both scrutiny and attack for 150 years. Not according to the evidence.
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And the obvious question; how did the Kangaroos make their way from the Ark in the middle east to Australia where they settled? During the ice age the ocean was much lower than now. They migrated there. Noah lived during the last ice age? kangaroos lived in the Middle East without leaving a single clue, then decided to move to Australia after the flood? What about Koalas? Did they migrate to Australia?
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Floods happen world wide, which does not mean that there was a single world drowning deluge. There is plenty of evidence for the former, nothing for the latter. Plus after the ice age, the most probable source of flood stories, people were living in small family units or tribes, hence if a group of people saved themselves from a local flood event, it was a family unit.
When's the last time you heard of a continent wide flood? That is what is necessary to form some of the mountains. The world wide flood solves that problem. You may need to attend a Geology class, just a friendly suggestion.
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what do psychiatrists say to people who believe in a whole bunch of ancient world myths?
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I prefer modern mythology. In the begining billions of years ago... 
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I've read that there is far more evidence to prove creation than evolution. Evolution was pushed by athiests, Marxists, and Communists for over 100 years. Get God out of society, and society can be controlled by the State. When they were first going to the moon, NASA scientists were afraid the lunar module would sink in 6' of dust since the moon was supposed to be about 3 billion year old. Didn't happen. Mutations happen, but not complete DNA changes. Life itself is so complicated in molecular structure that it is only present on earth. We haven't found any intelligent life on other planets, not radio or TV signals, etc. They are constantly looking for signs, nothing yet. Then like someone said, look at the Grand Canyon. If it was as old as they say, rain and wind would have rounded all the land around it into hills and sand. Every civilization, from ancient times mentions a great flood, China, India, Egypt, Sumaria, Greek.
Life was created. They do it on the Fire, also, and with a vengeance.
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...s a result of the influence of Lenin, Stalin and other Soviet leaders, Darwin became ‘an intellectual hero in the Soviet Union. There is a splendid Darwin museum in Moscow, and the Soviet authorities struck a special Darwin medal in honour of the centenary of The Origin’.48
As often the case in your posts, this has absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution. Yes, but they have to attack it in any fashion possible. This talk of evolution threatens their entire belief system. I haven't seen Christian's attack anyone. I have seen them attacked, most especially by our Trump loving and great nationalists and 2A loving MSM, antifa and courts led by socialist, NWO sympathizers. 
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...s a result of the influence of Lenin, Stalin and other Soviet leaders, Darwin became ‘an intellectual hero in the Soviet Union. There is a splendid Darwin museum in Moscow, and the Soviet authorities struck a special Darwin medal in honour of the centenary of The Origin’.48
As often the case in your posts, this has absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution. Yes, but they have to attack it in any fashion possible. This talk of evolution threatens their entire belief system. I haven't seen Christian's attack anyone. I have seen them attacked, most especially by our Trump loving and great nationalists and 2A loving MSM, antifa and courts led by socialist, NWO sympathizers. Within this thread, there have been instances of both sides attacking each other, both sides doing a little name calling. But then I never said christians were attacking anyone, but that they were attacking the theory of evolution. Don't let your bias blind you.
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Correct. It would be. That's not what I believe. As a pro bowler is capable of releasing the ball in such a way as to intend a strike, and, once released, be sure that he threw a strike. How much more so can God set the universe in motion in such a way as to be sure of all the outcomes that result, in accordance with his will. Then creation isn’t random, it’s designed. So why do you argue against intelligent design? Because God had nothing whatever to do with the design of living creatures. He delegated that job to nature, as it says in Genesis. And this makes sense when you look at how living creatures are put together. Not only is there no evidence of an intelligent designer, but there's lots of evidence of stupid design, where things are just good enough to work, but no better. God did no micromanaging of the process, but created a process by which his desired outcome (with respect to living creatures) would eventually come about. He knew how it would unfold, but didn't make it do so by the process that it did. That he left to nature, for whatever reason he chose to do so.
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Correct. It would be. That's not what I believe. As a pro bowler is capable of releasing the ball in such a way as to intend a strike, and, once released, be sure that he threw a strike. How much more so can God set the universe in motion in such a way as to be sure of all the outcomes that result, in accordance with his will. Then creation isn’t random, it’s designed. So why do you argue against intelligent design? Because God had nothing whatever to do with the design of living creatures. He delegated that job to nature, as it says in Genesis. And this makes sense when you look at how living creatures are put together. Not only is there no evidence of an intelligent designer, but there's lots of evidence of stupid design, where things are just good enough to work, but no better. God did no micromanaging of the process, but created a process by which his desired outcome (with respect to living creatures) would eventually come about. He knew how it would unfold, but didn't make it do so by the process that it did. That he left to nature, for whatever reason he chose to do so. Then if he left it to nature, we were an accident and the Bible is a lie. You can’t have it both ways.
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Then if he left it to nature, we were an accident and the Bible is a lie. You can’t have it both ways.
Are you saying that the Bible is mistaken when it informs us that God commanded the waters and the earth to bring forth all the living creatures? Our being the outcome isn't an accident, anymore than the strike of the pro bowler is an accident, yet the pro bowler doesn't follow the ball down the lane guiding it this way and that with a long stick, then pushing this pin against that one, and then that one against the next, till they're all down. The most important thing about us to God isn't the perfection of our bodies (for that, nature was good enough to bring it about in the clumsy way that it did), but rather our souls, which he created ex nihilo in his own likeness.
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Yet the pro bowler doesn’t rely on random chance. He throws the ball exactly as he intends so that at every inch of the way down it is doing exactly as he intends.
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