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Some of you who believe EVERYTHING is a conspiracy can’t even see this schit. First they tried to tie the NRA to the Russian collusion thing. Then New York got after them. Then attention whore Ollie North started raising Cain. Then the leaks, likely straight from the New York AG’s Office started hitting the air. And all of you, are falling right for it.
Wayne ain’t blameless, but there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. It's a good attack plan on the part of the libs. Piss off the members by exposing Waynes and the NRAs spending habits with their hard earned money. I don't want to see my money going towards the purchase of a Texas mansion that I won't be allowed to step foot in and neither do the majority of members. It ain’t just that. Look LaPierre can’t step down because New York is after him civilly and criminally. Step down and his legal fees aren’t covered, plus he loses any political clout he has. Same for the BOD at the NRA. Those that quit lose their indemnity for legal fees and New York is actively going after them both civilly and criminally. All these leaks about practices that may or may not going on and are undoubtedly exaggerated are a tactic to raise the heat on the BOD members and others to break ranks. Once they quit, then New York is going to go after them heavily. Then, under the pressure of bankrupting legal fees and/or criminal prosecution, someone is going to break and turn over on the NRA and “compose” a litany of crimes and misdeeds. Once that happens, then not only are the going to hammer the NRA financially, they are going to try to send LaPierre and some of the BOD to jail. Then, of course, the power of the NRA will be broken and no one with any sense will ever want to get involved with it again. That’s the plan. It’s the same plan that they tried with Trump and the Mueller investigation. It’s the same plan they tried with the Mafia and other organized crime organizations. Attack it on all fronts, create dissension, go after individual members and bankrupt them or jail them, until they turn over on others and the organization as a whole, and then kill it by making it so that everyone knows that getting involved with it means having your life turned upside down. It’s lawfare. It’s life in the new Soviet Socialist Republic of America. Guilty until proven innocent. They hope they can bankrupt the NRA before innocence is proven.
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in the ebb & flow of conflicting & competing ideologies, we're seeing how far down the [bleep] the gun owners have slid.
that is, these discussions shouldn't even be an issue. we should be standing on our haunches.
but no, we're in a type of internal civil war. the enemy, if there is one, sees our weakness.
we've got to get organized, and put up a solid front. this subject ain't about big business.
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Some of you who believe EVERYTHING is a conspiracy can’t even see this schit. First they tried to tie the NRA to the Russian collusion thing. Then New York got after them. Then attention whore Ollie North started raising Cain. Then the leaks, likely straight from the New York AG’s Office started hitting the air. And all of you, are falling right for it.
Wayne ain’t blameless, but there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. It's a good attack plan on the part of the libs. Piss off the members by exposing Waynes and the NRAs spending habits with their hard earned money. I don't want to see my money going towards the purchase of a Texas mansion that I won't be allowed to step foot in and neither do the majority of members. It ain’t just that. Look LaPierre can’t step down because New York is after him civilly and criminally. Step down and his legal fees aren’t covered, plus he loses any political clout he has. Same for the BOD at the NRA. Those that quit lose their indemnity for legal fees and New York is actively going after them both civilly and criminally. All these leaks about practices that may or may not going on and are undoubtedly exaggerated are a tactic to raise the heat on the BOD members and others to break ranks. Once they quit, then New York is going to go after them heavily. Then, under the pressure of bankrupting legal fees and/or criminal prosecution, someone is going to break and turn over on the NRA and “compose” a litany of crimes and misdeeds. Once that happens, then not only are the going to hammer the NRA financially, they are going to try to send LaPierre and some of the BOD to jail. Then, of course, the power of the NRA will be broken and no one with any sense will ever want to get involved with it again. That’s the plan. It’s the same plan that they tried with Trump and the Mueller investigation. It’s the same plan they tried with the Mafia and other organized crime organizations. Attack it on all fronts, create dissension, go after individual members and bankrupt them or jail them, until they turn over on others and the organization as a whole, and then kill it by making it so that everyone knows that getting involved with it means having your life turned upside down. It’s lawfare. It’s life in the new Soviet Socialist Republic of America. And send a message to all the other less powerful gun rights groups. If we can take down the NRA, think what we can do to you!
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And none of this is to say that LaPierre hasn’t done bad stuff...unethical, maybe even technically illegal. But he really isn’t doing anything that every CEO of these nonprofits and foundations are doing. And frankly, money wise, the NRA is small potatoes compared to many of them. But the reasons it and LaPierre are being targeted have nothing to do with alleged misdeeds, they are purely political.
Money has never been the reason the NRA was powerful. It really doesn’t have that much. A guy like Bloomberg could write a check for several years of NRA operating expenses and never miss it at all. Does the NRA still have the video up supporting Red Flag Laws? What if all that money that does no good were suddenly transferred to an organization that actually stands up for gun owner's rights, such as GOA? If the NRA would stop supporting gun control and having anti-gun folks at the helm, they would get more support. Don’t worry, GOA will get it’s turn in the barrel as soon as they are done with the NRA. That's speculation and doesn't answer any of the three questions directed your way. The NRA has been losing support of the "no compromise" portion of the membership for years. This latest scandal may or may not make that worse. The hardcore 2nd Amendment types I'd guess are a lot like myself...the main thing they want from the NRA is opposition to ALL gun control. The shenanigans of LaPierre and others are nothing compared to the damage done from stuff like the Red Flag video. So y'all can whine all you want, but smart and serious gun owners give money to organizations that oppose gun control, not support or even advocate it. I’m not telling you that I’m pleased with everything they do, that you should be, or that you should even support them. Do as you like. I’m just telling you what’s going to happen. lol You're not answering my questions. Your posts are indistinguishable from somebody who is supporting these things or gloating about them because they fancy themselves proven correct. I don't remember you making any prognostications on this score though. Secondly, you're not telling anybody anything, you're making at best, an educated guess. The old saying, "your guess is as good as mine", comes into play. You certainly sound as if you support LaPierre staying at the helm so he can fight essentially, personal legal battles against the state of New York, with public funds. IF the NRA is brought down, this will be the exact reason why and members will have nobody to blame but themselves, first for swallowing the NRA Koolaid and secondly for not policing their organization adequately. The first order of business in policing them, would be to get leaders in there who are totally dedicated to defending the 2nd Amendment as opposed to compromising whilst lining their own pockets. This stuff didn't happen overnight. At least several members here have been talking about it for years and for the most part, were vilified by the rank-and-file. This is still happening although some 'fire members have seen the light.
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Some of you who believe EVERYTHING is a conspiracy can’t even see this schit. First they tried to tie the NRA to the Russian collusion thing. Then New York got after them. Then attention whore Ollie North started raising Cain. Then the leaks, likely straight from the New York AG’s Office started hitting the air. And all of you, are falling right for it.
Wayne ain’t blameless, but there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. It's a good attack plan on the part of the libs. Piss off the members by exposing Waynes and the NRAs spending habits with their hard earned money. I don't want to see my money going towards the purchase of a Texas mansion that I won't be allowed to step foot in and neither do the majority of members. It ain’t just that. Look LaPierre can’t step down because New York is after him civilly and criminally. Step down and his legal fees aren’t covered, plus he loses any political clout he has. Same for the BOD at the NRA. Those that quit lose their indemnity for legal fees and New York is actively going after them both civilly and criminally. All these leaks about practices that may or may not going on and are undoubtedly exaggerated are a tactic to raise the heat on the BOD members and others to break ranks. Once they quit, then New York is going to go after them heavily. Then, under the pressure of bankrupting legal fees and/or criminal prosecution, someone is going to break and turn over on the NRA and “compose” a litany of crimes and misdeeds. Once that happens, then not only are the going to hammer the NRA financially, they are going to try to send LaPierre and some of the BOD to jail. Then, of course, the power of the NRA will be broken and no one with any sense will ever want to get involved with it again. That’s the plan. It’s the same plan that they tried with Trump and the Mueller investigation. It’s the same plan they tried with the Mafia and other organized crime organizations. Attack it on all fronts, create dissension, go after individual members and bankrupt them or jail them, until they turn over on others and the organization as a whole, and then kill it by making it so that everyone knows that getting involved with it means having your life turned upside down. It’s lawfare. It’s life in the new Soviet Socialist Republic of America. And send a message to all the other less powerful gun rights groups. If we can take down the NRA, think what we can do to you! The message sent back could be that we won against all your money on Heller and we'll do it again, especially since we are actually dedicated to gun rights as opposed to gun control and also because we have leaders who are trying to further the rights of gun owners as opposed to lining their own pockets with organization funds and then breaking said organization financially defending themselves against criminal activities.
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The State of New York is going to sue anyone it can think of that's in the NRA. We play into their hands when we openly quibble. This should have been handled in house.
Over the years the NRA has capitulated far too much to the gun grabbers and I fear they will again in the future. As far as I'm concerned WLP should have stepped down the moment after he sided with the bump stock banners.
NO QUARTER!!
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And send a message to all the other less powerful gun rights groups. If we can take down the NRA, think what we can do to you!
The message sent back could be that we won against all your money on Heller and we'll do it again, especially since we are actually dedicated to gun rights as opposed to gun control and also because we have leaders who are trying to further the rights of gun owners as opposed to lining their own pockets with organization funds and then breaking said organization financially defending themselves against criminal activities. Then people better get out their wallets and start donating. They won't be sending many messages and funding many senate elections pulling in 3-4 million annually.
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The pearl clutching intensifies 
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
MOLON LABE
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The message sent back could be that we won against all your money on Heller and we'll do it again, especially since we are actually dedicated to gun rights as opposed to gun control and also because we have leaders who are trying to further the rights of gun owners as opposed to lining their own pockets with organization funds and then breaking said organization financially defending themselves against criminal activities. AMEN!
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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outta be a matter of public record. they ought to open their books and lets see where the money goes. they are getting close to losing me as a member if this clown doesn't go. big threat but i know a lot of long time members who feel the same way.
My diploma is a DD214
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