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Does Lapua make a Scenar in .277" dia? I THINK NOT!!!
Amazing that the 270 still exists without a ‘scenar’, wow. Jerry Nah... Gotta shoot factory Core-Lokt if ya got a .270. DF
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145 ELD-X is showing promise in my Montana 'Nother reason for the .308 - just try to find a load that WON'T work in it with 150 - 168 gr bullets
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Ain't much point in either one now that the 6.5 Creedmoor has arrived.
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Ain't much point in either one now that the 6.5 Creedmoor has arrived. So in other words, there was no use for either when the 6.5x55 was around... check.
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Action/rifle length/weight.
Preferences.
Other "maybe if" scenarios. But mostly, they are mall ninja fantasies.
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Short action.
Bullet selection
Heavier bullets
-Jake Yup....other than that there is little difference between the two in the field....maybe on paper but I can't put paper in the freezer and make sausage from it.
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The two cartridges do almost the same thing except you can load the 308 with heavy for caliber bullets like the 220 grain Hornady or Nosler.
The 270, not so much.
Also, you can’t accidentally chamber a 270 in a 308 chamber and blow your gun up like a dumb ass.
The ranges are littered with the pieces of 270s that some knucklehead accidentally shot a 308 in.
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The faster is moves the faster it stops. - Right. .. it is often the case that the same bullet driven fast will stop sooner than the same bullet driven slower. Which of these two loads do you think will penetrate more one gallon water jugs? 1. .45-70, 460g hardcast @ 1812fps, 3354fpe 2. .45-70, 300g hardcast @ 1167fps, 907fpe The "obvious" choice is also the wrong one. ... 460g hardcast penetrated 9 water jugs, ... 300g bullet, Total penetration was 11 jugs ... Firstly, they are NOT the same bullet. Do you suggest a PH would be better off with .45-70 rather than his higher momentum .458win or .458 Lott for achieving penetration on dangerous game?
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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With the two bullets mentioned above, yes.....
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Sure. Why bother with the rifle at all. Just get good at throwing bullets at game. I don't know who started this horse chit. Until the speed exceeds the bullets construction limits, Ill take the speed.
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And I repeat, own both with little different set ups apiece.
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For- good average performance, excellent bullet selection and huge rifle choices Against- short case with a short neck, longer bullets are seated into the case. The neck is too short and the .308 case is better suited to the 7 08. or the wonderful .243. The 30/06 overcomes many of a .308's limitations.
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My father in law is a character. Depression era kid out of a couple hitches in the Army. Big Garand fan. He told me he never had any use for the 308. He didn't water his whisky, and wouldn't do the same to his beloved 30/06. Antiquated thinking?
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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My father in law is a character. Depression era kid out of a couple hitches in the Army. Big Garand fan. He told me he never had any use for the 308. He didn't water his whisky, and wouldn't do the same to his beloved 30/06. Antiquated thinking? That was excellent!
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just because > i want the 270 Winchester
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My father in law is a character. Depression era kid out of a couple hitches in the Army. Big Garand fan. He told me he never had any use for the 308. He didn't water his whisky, and wouldn't do the same to his beloved 30/06. Antiquated thinking? That's hardly antiquated. It's like I always say, the .308 is everything a .30-06 is and LESS!
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I chose the .270 win. over the .308W Win. for the simple reason that it will perform better as climate change begins to overtake the Earth. Don't ask me why but the "science" is settled between the two cartridges. Although I must say with rising temperatures, I'll have to cut-back at least one grain of H4831SC. You better watch what you say. You keep talkin' like that and the snow flakes will have you teaching at a university......LOL!
What goes up must come down, what goes around comes around, there's no free lunch. Trump's comin' back, get over it!
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My father in law is a character. Depression era kid out of a couple hitches in the Army. Big Garand fan. He told me he never had any use for the 308. He didn't water his whisky, and wouldn't do the same to his beloved 30/06. Antiquated thinking? I like it. It’s similar to what I’ve said. “There is a 308 IN every 30-06”. Jerry
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I am..........disturbed.
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The whole 270 vs 30 caliber thing is why I shoot a 280 a lot. It's for people who can't make up their mind...... I made up my mind when I was 17 there would never be a 270 in my arsenal, ever. I own 280’s & 308’s.
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