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When Burris abandoned the fixed scope market I abandoned them.


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Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
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I been shooting Barnes X in one form or another for many years, never had one to fail to do the job at modest or ultra high speed and I am not wanting the kick to be an issue for her. I can always speed it up later if she can handle it. I shoot a 300 RUM with 180 gr TTSX, in the past I have shot a 300WM with a 165 gr original X and then TSX and a 30-06 with the TSX, terminal performance has been great with all of them and if you reload and take time to find the sweet spot off the lands they are as accurate as any bullet made. This about a 9 yo girl who weighs 60 lbs. full clothed and soaking wet, MAYBE so why scare her with a hot load?


I strongly agree with using a mild load, it's the Barnes part I'm asking about. For the appropriately modest ranges you mentioned I'd go even milder. Think along the lines of a 100 grain Nosler at 250 Savage speed pushed by something like 4895.



That's another way of saying 6.5 Grendel. Difference being you don't have to load for it and there's. $0.25 per round plinking available for it.


If the OP doesn't already have the 260 Rem barrel the Grendel would be a neat option.

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This for an Encore so unless going the MGM or Bullberry route the .260 is much easier to find but even then it is not something you run up on every day. Actually bought it off here.

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You should have no trouble brewing up an easy going 260 load for your daughter. A 100 grain Ballistic Tip loaded to Grendel speed ought to be a nice way to go.

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Originally Posted by Youper
When Burris abandoned the fixed scope market I abandoned them.


I was a devout fixed X proponent for years having owned several including Burris. I have more recently found a lot of benefit in the wider field of view going lower than 6x offers in the field- and going higher at the range. Brightness and features are no longer the issue they were (to me) due to the competition that has popped up over the last decade or so. I alerted folks here to some absolute silly deals on Burris variables and none have been disappointed. I still have a fixed Burris on one rifle but my others have moved to variables.


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Originally Posted by mathman
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I been shooting Barnes X in one form or another for many years, never had one to fail to do the job at modest or ultra high speed and I am not wanting the kick to be an issue for her. I can always speed it up later if she can handle it. I shoot a 300 RUM with 180 gr TTSX, in the past I have shot a 300WM with a 165 gr original X and then TSX and a 30-06 with the TSX, terminal performance has been great with all of them and if you reload and take time to find the sweet spot off the lands they are as accurate as any bullet made. This about a 9 yo girl who weighs 60 lbs. full clothed and soaking wet, MAYBE so why scare her with a hot load?


I strongly agree with using a mild load, it's the Barnes part I'm asking about. For the appropriately modest ranges you mentioned I'd go even milder. Think along the lines of a 100 grain Nosler at 250 Savage speed pushed by something like 4895.



I too would load a cup and core bullet nice and mild. I can see issues with Barnes ad low speeds as they're not really designed for that.

As to your scope options, I would go with the 2-7X LEupold VX-Freedom over the FFII for sure.

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What about that Burris 30mm 1.5-6x w illum reticle Cameraland had on special?

Think Doug had em at $259

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Originally Posted by Puppy
Setting up a gun for my daughter to deer hunt with for the first time this year, .260 Rem barrel on my Encore frame and looking at a low to mid power scope since she will not be shooting over 75-100yds. Thinking of a Burris Fullfield ll 2-7x35 or a Leuplod 2-7x33. any opinions, recent experiences with either good or bad? I love my Zeiss but just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money until I know if she is going to stick with it or not.
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That particular burris sucks. The eye relief is terrible, making it difficult to get behind. Try the fullfield II 3-9×40 with ballistic plex reticle, or even one of the newer MSR rifle scopes. Youll find those a lot more user friendly.


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I've had a Burris 4.5-14x42 FullField Ballistic Plex on my 7 08 for a number of years with no problems or complaints, nice clear optics.

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Originally Posted by DBT
I've had a Burris 4.5-14x42 FullField Ballistic Plex on my 7 08 for a number of years with no problems or complaints, nice clear optics.


Remember this is for a new shooter who won't be lining up on anything past 100 yards.

If I was setting up a young kid I'd look hard at the 2.5x Leupold.

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Originally Posted by mathman
You should have no trouble brewing up an easy going 260 load for your daughter. A 100 grain Ballistic Tip loaded to Grendel speed ought to be a nice way to go.


There's a free Grendel that comes in the box with every bigger 6.5, just like the .30/30 in '06s, .308s, etc. Size and weight in this case are the same too.


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If you are worried about a few ounces difference in scope weight, then you have other issues. How old is your daughter? It seems odd that any kid would have issues with the recoil on a .260. If you are going to go with a mild load, there is no earthly reason to go full copper. Use 129 Hornady Interlocks at 2700+ and she will kill every deer that she shoots at, with light recoil. If that is too much recoil, then I don't know what to say.

I have seen very small girls shoot '06s.


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From an earlier post:

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This about a 9 yo girl who weighs 60 lbs. full clothed and soaking wet


That's why suggested 100 grains at about 2700 fps. That's mild in a 260, and approximates the 250 Savage which kills deer handily.

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So I have purchased a scope from a gentleman on here for the gun, a VX 3 1.75-6x32 seems like a nice compromise for what I am needing. I have also decided to load a 100 gr TTSX with a light dose of RL 17 probably be around 2750-2800 mainly because I have the RL 17 sitting at the house and although many of you don't agree with this choice I prefer a mono bullet and have confidence in them so that is what I am going with for her. It should have mild recoil with the 100 gr. bullet and expand nicely since she will be shooting close range and not 400 yds. where the velocity would be falling off. Thanks for all the input.

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Best of Luck Puppy- it should be a GREAT scope for her. I hope your load works too. I am sure I speak for all of us saying a pic of her in November with this rig and a downed deer- and of course a big ole smile- would loved to be seen.


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VX 3 1.75-6x32 is a good one.


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I'm not so sure a light dose of RL17 is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by mathman
I'm not so sure a light dose of RL17 is the way to go.


Agreed. An extruded powder would be much safer in reduced loads. 4198 works great for that sort of thing, and will be safer.

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
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I'm not so sure a light dose of RL17 is the way to go.


Agreed. An extruded powder would be much safer in reduced loads. 4198 works great for that sort of thing, and will be safer.


Would i look like a di ck if i totally agreed with you and mathman. I dont think the op has listened to a word most are saying. Why ask a question here, if its obvious he has his own agenda?


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Actually you do look like a D__K, if you look at my original post it was a question on a scope and I enjoyed the feed back and based on my budget and availability I choice to buy a what I consider a good compromise scope for my daughter. In my original post I never asked anyone's opinion on what load I should shoot, what powder ,bullet type etc, that info was asked of me later in the thread and I chose to answer even though I knew better. I greatly appreciate everyone's opinion on what load I should use, why I should use this bullet Y vs bullet Z, powder type etc but everyone's life/hunting experiences are different and as such I choose to shoot a bullet that most of you wouldn't. On top of that I have been reloading since I was 15 so that is about 33 years worth of experience and I have never flattened a primer, split a case or hurt anyone so even though I may not be an internet expert I do know a little about it. I admit RL17 probably not the best choice but I have it available and have no other use for it so I will see if I can make it work. In a perfect world I would have unlimited resources and could always make the perfect purchase on everything I use and now my daughters will use for hunting but that will never be the case. With that said now I sound like a D__K but so be it, unless someone wants to criticize my grammar I will consider this thread closed.
Thanks again for the truly helpful opinions on the scope choice.

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