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For Deer, I easily look thru the fixed 3x at 3x100. However, I doubt if any here will understand the wisdom of your words.

I commented that RL17 may not be what you want for your application because it is a "4350 class" burn rate powder and those (and even slower) burn rates are generally to be avoided for reduced loads. (safety)

Puppy,

Evidently in 33 years of handloading you've never run across any mention (and they've been frequent in the literature) about occasional VERY high pressure incidents with charges of slower-burning powders reduced more than 10% from maximum listed charges. They do not happen every time, and there is generally no indication that they might from previous shots--but when they do happen, the pressure often wrecks rifles.

Actually I have and I plan on using exactly 10% less than listed max which is 42.2 gr with a 100 gr bullet. In theory that would produce ~2900 fps with a 24' barrel but since I am cutting 3" off the barrel and adding a brake to further reduce the recoil I figure on losing ~50 fps per inch and I am at the 2750-2800 that I stated in a earlier comment maybe it will be a little faster than that but I doubt it but either way I feel since it is a listed load in the manual it should be safe. I also plan on giving it a .050" jump to the rifling to start which shouldn't increase pressure any and is also what is recommended as the starting point. For a group of people that I have never meet in person I must come off as a pretty sorry individual and lousy father if you think that I would load anything other than a known listed load for my daughter. If I want to experiment with my eyes and fingers that would be one thing but as a father I would never endanger my children.

That isn't the amount of reduction I was considering.

Puppy,

Good!

You first mentioned 2500-2600 as your target muzzle velocity.

Not to be Captain Obvious here, but perhaps a good spot to start is the Nosler or other manual that lists a spread of charges for each powder and indicates the most accurate charge tested for that powder. Sometimes it is the starting charge that is most accurate. Happy Trails

I looked at those earlier. In my estimation they are a bit stiff for the present application.

I stand by my recommendation of 4895 for a mild 250 Savage ballistics duplicate. Believe me, I'm not that flush with cash either, but I wouldn't call a pound of powder an extravagance in this instance.

Agree!

The scope purchased is near perfect for whitetail at the usual ranges. My kids like a scope set to 4x for shooting deer at the expected ranges. I have them practice at lower or no magnification, but the extra mag. helps them place shots better as they gain experience with deer anatomy. I have one of those on one of my favorite deer rifles. It will reach across a clearcut and is peerless in the woods when bucks are chasing.

I think 2700 fps is a little fast. A muzzle brake will tame it obviously, but some kids find the strangest reasons to not like things. They don't see the full picture of situations. I suggest doubling up on plugs and muffs at the range. Plugs on a band are handy when hunting. Another option is just to practice with the 22lr barrel and only shoot the centerfire at deer. That's what I do with my kids.

I wouldn't use a mono bullet for this on a bet. Go soft for deer. It is much easier to teach blood trailing when the ground is painted from an NBT through the lungs.

Gun I put together for my daughter, scope and barrel bought from Campfire members, Encore frame from my SML conversion added brake from JR Shults and adjustable stock so we can both use same frame. She handles it well just haven't given her the right opportunity to take a shot yet. .5" MOA at 100 yds.

Dude! Looks PERFECT. Can't imagine dreaming up a better rig for your purpose.

Don't forget the ear plugs! I always have some ready for the hunt.

Awaiting pics of smiling face and successful hunt.

That’s pretty cool!

I think the 100 TTSX is perfect.

She didn't get is done last year but she finally got her first deer this morning, one happy little hunter.

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30 or so Leupolds of all flavors here (all older gloss). Dependable and to my eye nothing looks better.

I don't think a nine year old new shooter will need a ballistic plex. Keep it simple.

I had a Fullfield II 2-7x35 on my daughter’s deer rifle and one on a Marlin 336. I never noticed the crappy eye relief but then again they weren’t hard kicking rifles. My daughter was happy but I later put a Bushnell Elite 2-7 on her rifle and she liked the glass better. My 336 now wears a VX-3 1.75-6x32 and I believe it’s a significant upgrade over a Fullfield.

I load GameKings for grandkids at slow speeds, buy a scope you like.

Well let me be the first to congratulate your daughter and yourself for the fine venison.

Mega congrats on the deer! Burris FFII is a lot of scope for the money. Perhaps more reliable than similarly priced Reupoles.