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458 socom or ???

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450 bushmaster?

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What's best ?

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Might get a socom.

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Just wondering how the other stack up to the socom and performance and Brass availability

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Originally Posted by viking
450 bushmaster?

That's what I have. As I understand it, the ballistics are close to a 45-70. Straight wall cartridge, so legal for deer here. It is designed as a 300yard accurate ammo. (There is a guy shooting bowling pins at 300 yards, accurately.
Very short blood trail. (@20' ).
There are two local sources for factory ammo. Cost varies from @$1.10- $1.50 per shot. (I am looking at getting into reloading to cut costs. )
As a short range rifle, it does what it's supposed to do.


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I do not believe a critter will be able to tell the difference between the 450 bushmaster or the 458 socom. both use brass that at times is a pita to find. I picked the socom because I already load for the 45-70 and have .458 bullets , the bushmaster uses .452 bullets so it came down to that for me.

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Just picked up a 50beowulf

But have,been shooting the 450 it's impressive
Makes things leak pretty well
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All the big boys pitch im ng about th the same velocity per weight ? What about mags ? Hard to find?

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The SOCOM does not need special mags. Some of the later generation P-mags will limit your OAL if you use pointy bullets but aren't any problem for the various 300 grain .458 HPs. I like Lancers the best. My mags will load 4 rounds in a 10-round 5.56 mag, 7 in a 20, and 11 in a 30.

If you decide in favor of the .458, think hard about a carbine-gassed barrel. H110 is a very good powder for it, but it can get finicky about cycling or lock-back in a mid-gassed barrel. I use an adjustable gas block on mine to use the slower-burners if I want to, but have been shooting a lot of 350 grain Beartooth Piledriver Lites lately and seem to be getting the best velocity with H110. RL7 and H4198 are great for the heavier bullets and you could use mid-gas, then. I like the 300 to 350 grain range of bullets, but can use the heavies and slower powders with the adjustable gas block.

Brass for the .458 is expensive, but doesn't seem to stretch. Avoid the Lyman small base die like the plague, and if loading lead, use either a Lee Powder-through die or a Lyman M-die (preferred) to flare, then use either a Lee FCD or Lyman Taper-crimp die (again, preferred) to iron the flare out. I have not personally found it necessary to crimp.

I don't have any experience with any of the other big-bore cartridges, so can't comment on them. And, mine has a 16.25" Tromix barrel.

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I use the CMMG & Tromix Lancer mags, these were all shot with the same zero.

Aero Precision XL upper, Aero M4E1 Lower, Spike's Enhanced LPK, Tromix 16.25" Lightweight Stainless barrel with NIB bolt, WMD Nickel Boron BC, Tromix gas block and tube, BCM VLTOR Gunfighter Mod 3charge handle, Tromix 4 Port Brake, Aero Buffer Tube Kit, Magpul MOE Grip, Magpul CTR stock and Diamondhead VRS T-556 15" handguard, Warne Skeletonized Cantilever 30mm scope mount and Burris Four-X 1.5-6x42mm. 9lbs 5oz with a 4rd Tromix Lancer Mag loaded with 4rds of Black Butterfly 300gr JHP. The scope alone is 20oz of the weight.

These are Black Butterfly's published velocities:
300gr Hornady JHP is 1800fps
325gr Hornady Flex Tip is 1600fps
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The SOCOM has a decent shoulder unlike other large bore rounds - so they tend to do better.

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.458 Bullets and no special mags it what I'd go with.


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Originally Posted by ldholton
All the big boys pitch im ng about th the same velocity per weight ? What about mags ? Hard to find?

.450 Bushmaster mags are the same as for .223 or 5.56 ARs. It's just a single stack, instead of a staggered load. I standard mag is a 10 round with a different follower.
Since ohio has a 3 round limit allowed in the gun, a 5 round mag is all I need for deer hunting.
Other states have other restrictions. I believe Indiana has a max of 10 rounds allowed to be present while in the field.
Replacement followers are available online. Personally, I think I may pick up a second 5 round mag to preload and swap, instead of loose bullets in a pocket. (Less noise, and faster/simpler. )


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I made my own mag for my 450 Bushmaster and it fed more reliably than the 5 rd factory mag. I used a 10 round 5.56 mag with a snap in follower which gave me a 3 rounder. All I need for hunting whitetails in the brush
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