i've shot most of the hamr ammo offerings under 150gr. i like the lighter bullets for the speed so i don't have to be quite as good a shot on running targets. the 110gr i'm shooting now are well over 2700 fps per the labradar.
bill wilson prefers the 130gr and up for hogs. he's shot plenty. he just got back from a south african safari where he tested mostly 150 bullets on larger game...
I do believe, sir, you have figured out which end the bullet comes out....
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the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
FWIW, I have (2) chronos. I’ve seen a minimum of 2650 for 110 NAB loads in a 16” barrel, and the SSA factory stuff I have a good stash of ran just north of 2700 when chronod in my 16” 3R ARP BBL. 90s were 2950-3k, IIRC. The milspec is/was 2600, w/2500 as a min acceptable in a16” for 110-115gr. Due to bolt/case head parameters, it’s likely safer to run the 6.8 to 58k+ in ARs, vs stuff with a larger case head diameter. I’ve seen some folks indicating Grendel hand loads of 100gr bullets hitting 2400-2500 in 16” barrels, but the factory stuff and other’s hand loads I’ve actually seen chronod were 2-300 FPS less. If what I’ve seen is an anomaly, and safe Grendel stuff is actually hitting 2500-2750 from 16” barrels with anything over 90gr, then you can keep calling me a ‘koolaide drinker’. However, I see more insecurity/hype over the Grendel, anytime someone points out differences in anything under 400 yards and 20” of barrel. The differences aren’t earth shattering, but they exist. The differences take nothing away from what either cartridge was designed to do, or do well. I never said there couldn’t be custom loading, bullet selection, etc to mitigate/modify the typical, from either. They were just created to be slightly different.
So to put it simply, you have not actually compared similar bullet weights and barrel lengths yourself; you're going by guesses and some other 6.8 fanboy's claims of Grendel velocities. Got it.
FWIW your Grendel numbers above are way off the mark. They're so far off that I think you've either believed someone else's bad info, or gotten the details mixed up. For example, even the cheap Wolf steel case 100gr does 2425 fps from my 14" barrel, and right about 2500 in a 16". A 123gr does 2360 fps in my 12.5" Grendel, which is so close to a 120gr 6.8 12.5" as to be insignificant.
Of course, you gotta set the kool aid aside to think about those numbers...
Apparently you didn’t care to read what I wrote or don’t care what was actually stated? Why so defensive? My chronos, others’ rifles and loads. Personally. There. Logged. Pulled the trigger some too. LOL Use of my own was before those work ups/checks and I don’t remember/didn’t care after testing/using 6.8 loads in my particular package. Why should I? One was better for the intended purpose I needed.
You’re also missing the math: a factory 1002500 in a 16” is still 200+fps slower than a factory 1102700+ in a 16”. 12.5” is irrelevant in all of that, outside of pistols or a $200 stamp and wait. That’s not ‘typical’ hunting with either. It’s also not the next rifle or the next load. There’s variables. I never said what I witnessed was all that’s possible. I just saw enough to choose one for some things over others. I can shoot whatever in an AR that I want. I’ve got no dog in anyone’s fight or koolaide. The numbers and my use show I made the better choice for what I do. Yours can be different all you want it to, and better for your own purposes. You can have your own flavor of koolaide.
Apparently you didn’t care to read what I wrote or don’t care what was actually stated? Why so defensive? My chronos, others’ rifles and loads. Personally. There. Logged. Pulled the trigger some too. LOL Use of my own was before those work ups/checks and I don’t remember/didn’t care after testing/using 6.8 loads in my particular package. Why should I? One was better for the intended purpose I needed.
You’re also missing the math: a factory 100@2500 in a 16” is still 200+fps slower than a factory 110@2700+ in a 16”. 12.5” is irrelevant in all of that, outside of pistols or a $200 stamp and wait. That’s not ‘typical’ hunting with either. It’s also not the next rifle or the next load. There’s variables. I never said what I witnessed was all that’s possible. I just saw enough to choose one for some things over others. I can shoot whatever in an AR that I want. I’ve got no dog in anyone’s fight or koolaide. The numbers and my use show I made the better choice for what I do. Yours can be different all you want it to, and better for your own purposes. You can have your own flavor of koolaide.
so... boatboy. i have a little experience in the small window i see out of, but credibility.... nahhhh
Nice work on those running hogs....is that you behind the trigger on this vid??
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I’ve seen some folks indicating Grendel hand loads of 100gr bullets hitting 2400-2500 in 16” barrels, but the factory stuff and other’s hand loads I’ve actually seen chronod were 2-300 FPS less.
Originally Posted by hh4whiskey
Apparently you didn’t care to read what I wrote or don’t care what was actually stated?
Yeah I read what you wrote. See above. You're either full of crap or got the details all wrong.
You're claiming actual 16" Grendel velocities are ~2200 fps for a 100gr bullet. LOL, that's so far off you should be embarassed. Even a 12.5" barrel will do better than that with anything under 140gr.
if the vid is black hot, im the shooter. my buddy shoots white hot and sometimes i add some of his kills. ever since i started using thermal i started videoing. sometimes i have to check the vid to see why i missed and realize i'm all over the place. but mostly i just like them for entertainment. here's another one that i was compiling, but i got confused where i left off and duplicated some hunts, but kinda cool none the less...
2500 claimed -200 is 2300. What we were shooting, in the rifles we were shooting them in, were only hitting 200-300 FPS less than the published velocity on their boxes, with ‘similar’ weight bullets (theirs could’ve been 120s vs the 110s in 6.8) and the 6.8s next to them were running 2700+ in 16”. I GUARANTEE I forgot some irrelevant details, likely on purpose....due their lack of relevance. The 6.8s performed better than the 6.5s, by the numbers, at the ranges I cared about and the uses I had in mind. If you’re getting into what one some may do with handloads/powders to get closer, that’s a different animal. As I said, I hadn’t seen it, so it’s entirely possible. Then again, I can also get some crazy numbers out of a little 357 max case and 180s, that make it far harder hitting than either, inside 200.....but I was into that and worked at it. The 6.8 was a simple answer I didn’t have to work too hard for that fit my bill better than others. My buddy likes his Grendel better, and he kills stuff, and he could care less what I think about my 6.8s. You act like I told you your daughter was too fat to be a cheerleader. Nobody has to agree on cartridges. There’s plenty to go around.
I’ve seen some folks indicating Grendel hand loads of 100gr bullets hitting 2400-2500 in 16” barrels, but the factory stuff and other’s hand loads I’ve actually seen chronod were 2-300 FPS less.
Originally Posted by hh4whiskey
Apparently you didn’t care to read what I wrote or don’t care what was actually stated?
Yeah I read what you wrote. See above. You're either full of crap or got the details all wrong.
You're claiming actual 16" Grendel velocities are ~2200 fps for a 100gr bullet. LOL, that's so far off you should be embarassed. Even a 12.5" barrel will do better than that with anything under 140gr.
I have shot two deer with my 25 /45 Sharps and it killed them plenty dead with Speer 87 HC at 2800 mv. So I figure the 6.5 and 6.8 should be just as good too.
My 18" BCA Grendel barrel will do 2500 with a 120 factory fusion. Most of my reloads do 2450 with 123's. My 20" Green mountain Grendel group buy barrel does 2250 with 140 Hornady interlocks.
My 22" 27 GPC does 2660 with 130 Speer bt's. It does 3175 with 90 Speer gold dots.
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