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IMO, the worst thing about the .40s&w is what it did to the life of the 10mm. I never saw a need for the .40, but the 10mm is a definite step up. That's all history now, and if forties are going cheap, so much the better for anyone needing an affordable and effective handgun.

As for the Kahr.....I'm still packing the old K9 much of the time. Always reliable and accurate. Simple operation, with still one of the finest DAO (yeah, I know) triggers available. I'd jump on that $150 Kahr, just to have another stashed somewhere.


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I hate the triggers on kahr pistols.

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I had a CW40 for a couple of years, it was the gun I carried when my XD Service was too big. It was reliable and accurate for a small pistol in that cartridge. I traded it for something else after surgery on my thumb made shooting that gun rather painful. I should have kept it until I was fully recovered. I eventually ended up with a CW9 as a replacement.

I bought it used for slightly more than the OP mentions. I wouldn't hesitate to get another at that price.

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
I hate the triggers on kahr pistols.

Not me. They remind me a good K-Frame double action trigger, which was what I cut my teeth on in the early 1980s, so transitioning to the Kahr P9 was easy for me.

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I have a CW9. It's been 100% and I carry it a fair amount.

Gotta say, I'm not in love with the trigger. The long stroke is great, no problem with that, it's smooth as butter.

The part I'm not in love with is the crazy amount of 'rocking' motion of the trigger during the stroke. It's as if the trigger pin should be higher up.

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If I had that opportunity...I’d jump on it! We’ve got a few 40’s lying around.....a 40 “pocket pistol” would be a nice addition. We have two of them, in 9’s (I love’m - wife hates’m). They are not our primary “carry gun”....but a good shooting, reliable “back-up”! memtb

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As others have said, .40 isn't as popular as 9 and it is less fun to shoot in lightweight guns.

Here in East Tennessee about half the dealers don't carry new Kahrs.
They've told me there's not much name recognition.
So, used ones aren't worth much if you want to trade, and show up for a decent price when sold as used.

Be aware: Kahr guns have a 5 year warranty that only applies to the original purchaser.
So buying a used gun could be a crap shoot.
I like Kahrs, just wish the warranty was better.

I've had 3 9mm guns and just bought a CW380.
The other guns never even needed the 200 round break in period, but the .380 did.
It's almost like at round 210 it started running fine.

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Originally Posted by mini14jac


Be aware: Kahr guns have a 5 year warranty that only applies to the original purchaser..
Incorrect... They have a 'limited lifetime warranty'.. See info on this link:

https://www.kahr.com/t-series-k-series-and-p-series-premium-series-handguns/


Plus, I had a slide guide fail on my P-9 several years ago.. I had owned this pistol for at least ten years. I called them up, they sent a prepaid shipping label, replaced the frame and shipped it back, FREE...


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Kahr has tremendous customer service. I bought tritium sights from them for a P380 pistol 2 1/2 years ago. I had a local gunsmith fit the sights and he screwed up royally and managed to break the front sight(tritium insert) I was in a rush and didn't notice it until I got home. I no longer use that worthless gunsmith . I called Kahr and sent the pistol to them to get the front sight installed. They installed a new front sight and didn't charge nada,zip , zero.

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Be aware: Kahr guns have a 5 year warranty that only applies to the original purchaser..
Incorrect... They have a 'limited lifetime warranty'.. See info on this link:

https://www.kahr.com/t-series-k-series-and-p-series-premium-series-handguns/


Plus, I had a slide guide fail on my P-9 several years ago.. I had owned this pistol for at least ten years. I called them up, they sent a prepaid shipping label, replaced the frame and shipped it back, FREE...




+1 I bought my P380 used and they sure took care of me.

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Few thoughts:
1. Regarding the low price, we’ve seen a dramatic gap opening between company’s “standard” pistol line and their “budget” line. Items like the Creed by Walther and the Shield by S&W are other examples of budget guns by respected makers. But $130 is REALLY cheap. That’s like High Point level of cheapness. That would concern me.
2. I do not consider Kahr to be on the same level as Sig, Walther, Smith, Glock, HK, etc. My experience with Kahr guns has NOT been positive. Didn’t like the triggers, the stiffness of the slide, the accuracy (or lack thereof), and the ergonomics. I’m an experienced pistol shooter, and the Kahr has been the hardest for me to shoot well of any guns I’ve owned.
3. I haven’t bought one in years, so maybe I’m behind the times. Maybe they’re better now?
4. At least they’re 100% American made, which is always good.


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Originally Posted by JackstrawIII
Few thoughts:
1.But $130 is REALLY cheap. That’s like High Point level of cheapness. That would concern me.
2. I do not consider Kahr to be on the same level as Sig, Walther, Smith, Glock, HK, etc. My experience with Kahr guns has NOT been positive. Didn’t like the triggers, the stiffness of the slide, the accuracy (or lack thereof), and the ergonomics. I’m an experienced pistol shooter, and the Kahr has been the hardest for me to shoot well of any guns I’ve owned.
3. I haven’t bought one in years, so maybe I’m behind the times. Maybe they’re better now?
4. At least they’re 100% American made, which is always good.


1.) You couldn't pay me $130 to take a High-Point. Even white trash can be snobs!

2.) Kahr, as I recall had issues with their early polymer pistols. Apparenty they ironed this out before I got my first one a CW9 (used) about 8 or 9 years ago (or I was lucky?). As far as accuracy goes... I have found Kahr pistols to be extremely accurate. The difference may be I pretty much 'Mastered' (used rather loosely) double-action revolver shooting, a Kahr trigger is better than my smoothest double action pistol.

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The only thing I know about Kahr arms is they are gun people. Not a fly by night outfit. They even bought Magnum Research and nothing has changed. Kahr does not build guns per say. they just use the best.

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Originally Posted by bfrshooter
The only thing I know about Kahr arms is they are gun people. Not a fly by night outfit. They even bought Magnum Research and nothing has changed. Kahr does not build guns per say. they just use the best.


What the heck are you talking about? They started by building guns no one else was building, and doing it well - and they still build those same guns. That's exactly what financed the acquisition of other small (failing) gun companies.


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yes they did and MR was not failing. You say they build but who, Do they have factories? Or do they own companies that produce? Sorry it is a holding corporation. You can stamp a name on any gun like Sears did with Marlin, Mossberg and Savage. I do not know of any Kahr Arms factory.

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Originally Posted by bfrshooter
yes they did and MR was not failing. You say they build but who, Do they have factories? Or do they own companies that produce? Sorry it is a holding corporation. You can stamp a name on any gun like Sears did with Marlin, Mossberg and Savage. I do not know of any Kahr Arms factory.


A business that isn't thriving is failing, by my measure. Might be failing in slow motion, but that's just details. Neither Magnum Research nor Auto Ordinance corporation were holding much of a share of the market. If they were thriving, they wouldn't have been looking for a buyer...

https://www.kahr.com/about/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahr_Arms

Now you know, if you bother to look.

MR may have been producing some quality firearms at the time of purchase (Desert Eagle not included, IMO), but by most accounts AO was not so much. Also by most accounts, AO quality has improved under Kahr ownership. Whether or not you consider that as evidence of Kahr manufacture, it still implies control of production - which is all that matters. If quality has improved, I'd lay odds that at least some leadership was replaced, if not more.


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
That's stealing. I'd buy it, and I don't even like .40 cal.



Yeah, I would of hurt myself trying to get my wallet out for a deal like that. Wouldn't of bothered me a bit to of had to buy a couple of cases of .40 ammo for a $130 Kahr .

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Originally Posted by FreeMe
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yes they did and MR was not failing. You say they build but who, Do they have factories? Or do they own companies that produce? Sorry it is a holding corporation. You can stamp a name on any gun like Sears did with Marlin, Mossberg and Savage. I do not know of any Kahr Arms factory.


A business that isn't thriving is failing, by my measure. Might be failing in slow motion, but that's just details. Neither Magnum Research nor Auto Ordinance corporation were holding much of a share of the market. If they were thriving, they wouldn't have been looking for a buyer...

https://www.kahr.com/about/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahr_Arms

Now you know, if you bother to look.

MR may have been producing some quality firearms at the time of purchase (Desert Eagle not included, IMO), but by most accounts AO was not so much. Also by most accounts, AO quality has improved under Kahr ownership. Whether or not you consider that as evidence of Kahr manufacture, it still implies control of production - which is all that matters. If quality has improved, I'd lay odds that at least some leadership was replaced, if not more.


Quality has not improved since no other revolvers could even approach a BFR. What I like is Kahr has not reduced the quality and I think many employees are still there. A takeover is from the top when an offer is too good to pass up for the CEO's massive payment. The BFR is the premier revolver ever produced. Castings and hand shakes from Ruger The BFR is just a huge Ruger fit better with twist rates that work.

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yes they did and MR was not failing. You say they build but who, Do they have factories? Or do they own companies that produce? Sorry it is a holding corporation. You can stamp a name on any gun like Sears did with Marlin, Mossberg and Savage. I do not know of any Kahr Arms factory.


A business that isn't thriving is failing, by my measure. Might be failing in slow motion, but that's just details. Neither Magnum Research nor Auto Ordinance corporation were holding much of a share of the market. If they were thriving, they wouldn't have been looking for a buyer...

https://www.kahr.com/about/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahr_Arms

Now you know, if you bother to look.

MR may have been producing some quality firearms at the time of purchase (Desert Eagle not included, IMO), but by most accounts AO was not so much. Also by most accounts, AO quality has improved under Kahr ownership. Whether or not you consider that as evidence of Kahr manufacture, it still implies control of production - which is all that matters. If quality has improved, I'd lay odds that at least some leadership was replaced, if not more.


Quality has not improved since no other revolvers could even approach a BFR. What I like is Kahr has not reduced the quality and I think many employees are still there. A takeover is from the top when an offer is too good to pass up for the CEO's massive payment. The BFR is the premier revolver ever produced. Castings and hand shakes from Ruger The BFR is just a huge Ruger fit better with twist rates that work.


I'll take your word for the BFR's quality. Companies have value based on assets and market. That doesn't always reflect the quality of the product. If the great quality has remained great, that implies that the new owner has made good decisions, assuming quality drives its profitability. So, while Kahr may not have built that factory or even staffed it initially, Kahr is responsible for its continued success. Therefore, it is a "Kahr product" in reality.....regardless of how that makes you feel.

The antithesis to that might be the Remington/Marlin story...


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Originally Posted by keith
If you ever shoot any five gallon water jugs full of water with various calibers, you will love the calibers starting with a 4!!!


If I'm ever attacked by a jug full of water I'll keep that in mind.


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