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the gov't has had much success over the years fighting the drug wars.

now that they seem to be winding down, the gun wars raises it's dirty little head.

we know all about the dirty little southeast asians wars of a past generation of youth.

now, with some 300 million? guns and related in the country, how best to manage the supply?


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It was a guy that made some ar-15's from 80 %lowers and parts kits.

Have not heard another word after the raid.

You can make your own rifle with an 80% upper without a number but if you sell it it has to have a number.

It can be anything that you can come up with but i would not make it w-1200.

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Originally Posted by RiverRider
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Been talk of regulating the 80% lowers for a few years now by certain people/groups. They see them as another "loophole" that needs to be closed.

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I think the new definition of "loophole" is any principle or any means used by a citizen to exercise his God-given rights.

That's been the definition for tyrants since the beginning of time.

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W-1200?


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
W-1200?


I was wondering the same thing ???


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The 21st. Amendment codifies the right of American citizens to manufacture, sell and consume alcoholic beverages. It reversed the 18th. Amendment that made all those acts illegal and instantly turned untold thousands of Americans into criminals. It also made international bootleggers like Joe Kennedy filthy rich, and all of us know what his kids and their offspring have done to destroy America!

Now that making, selling, and consuming booze is legal, what kind of "background check" should I have to submit to in order to invite my next door neighbor over this afternoon for some BBQ and beer, and what sort of background check should he/she submit to before accepting my invitation? Far more people get killed by drunk drivers than all the deaths mass shooters have accounted for in the past, or will in the future!
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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
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W-1200?


I was wondering the same thing ???


The 1200's one you've made.

It would indicate you made a large volume, consistent with being in the manufacturing business.

W-3 would indicate you only occasional make your own lowers.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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W-1200?


I was wondering the same thing ???


The 1200's one you've made.

It would indicate you made a large volume, consistent with being in the manufacturing business.

W-3 would indicate you only occasional make your own lowers.


Thanks!


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It might seem that one has built 1200 of those evil things.

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I figured numbering them WM1-WM1200 would be bad....


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You build an AR-- you are an illegal manfacturer-- simple-- to the commies!

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Originally Posted by plainsman456
It was a guy that made some ar-15's from 80 %uppers and parts kits.

Have not heard another word after the raid.

You can make your own rifle with an 80% upper without a number but if you sell it it has to have a number.

It can be anything that you can come up with but i would not make it w-1200.


Why would anyone need an “80%” upper? I don’t even know what that would mean considering the modular and interchangeability of the upper. Anyone can manufacture or assemble uppers to sell without being considered as doing business in the manufacturing or sales of firearms. 👍

An 80% lower is a different animal and the only part of the weapon that’s considered the weapon.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by plainsman456
It was a guy that made some ar-15's from 80 %uppers and parts kits.

Have not heard another word after the raid.

You can make your own rifle with an 80% upper without a number but if you sell it it has to have a number.

It can be anything that you can come up with but i would not make it w-1200.


Why would anyone need an “80%” upper? I don’t even know what that would mean considering the modular and interchangeability of the upper. Anyone can manufacture or assemble uppers to sell without being considered as doing business in the manufacturing or sales of firearms. 👍

An 80% lower is a different animal and the only part of the weapon that’s considered the weapon.

I think he meant to say lower.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Been talk of regulating the 80% lowers for a few years now by certain people/groups. They see them as another "loophole" that needs to be closed.

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Fuggin' A! Bring on the 79% lowers! laugh

The progressives just keep getting crazier & crazier!


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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Been talk of regulating the 80% lowers for a few years now by certain people/groups. They see them as another "loophole" that needs to be closed.

Geno
Fuggin' A! Bring on the 79% lowers! laugh

The progressives just keep getting crazier & crazier!


How about a 78 % lower. 😜


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There’s more than a little irony in the quote below from the article......

“If the gun dealer did in fact know that Ator was barred from buying guns, he could be charged with a federal crime.”

I think the government has the market cornered when it comes to hypocrisy. Fast and Furious comes to mind as does BP agent Brian Terry. Why hasn’t ANYONE been prosecuted for that pathetic display of incompetent and dangerous law enforcement tactics?


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
There’s more than a little irony in the quote below from the article......

“If the gun dealer did in fact know that Ator was barred from buying guns, he could be charged with a federal crime.”

I think the government has the market cornered when it comes to hypocrisy. Fast and Furious comes to mind as does BP agent Brian Terry. Why hasn’t ANYONE been prosecuted for that pathetic display of incompetent and dangerous law enforcement tactics?




Seems there are a BUNCH of pot growers/sellers in many states that could/should be charged too. Funny [bleep]


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The name of the game is ban firearms anyway they can. They are going to try and ban private firearm transactions without going through a background check which will essentially make anyone a criminal that sells a firearm without doing it. It's firearm registration. They got away with the GCA . They've been incrementally going in that direction for a long time and it's only a matter of time. With the RINOs we have now and the liberals in congress anything can happen.

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It is perfectly legal to manufacture a firearm for personal use.

It is perfectly legal to sell that firearm at a later date.

What is not legal is to manufacture a firearm without a license with the “Intent” to sell it from the get go.
The seller is under investigation. If they find evidence that he manufactured with the “Intent” to sell, he’s f*cked.

It is not legal to sell a firearm to anyone you have knowledge is a prohibited person.
If the seller knew the shooter was a prohibited person and sold him a firearm anyway, he’s f*cked

It all boils down to “Intent” and what the seller knew about the buyer.


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