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JB's 270 article in Handloader #14116368 09/10/19
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Thanks John for the 270 article in the new Handloader. Good info and very comprehensive as usual. With all of the new powders and bullets it's hard to keep abreast.


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Glad you liked the article!

Am going to be publishing some more HANDLOADER articles along the same line with more popular cartridges. The next one up is the 7mm Remington Magnum.


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Gonna load up some RL-16, 140’s tomorrow and see if I catch lightning in a bottle.


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Most rifle loony endeavors (whether a new rifle, scope, cartridge, powder etc,) involve the expectation of completely changing your life. Good luck!


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Most rifle loony endeavors (whether a new rifle, scope, cartridge, powder etc,) involve the expectation of completely changing your life. Good luck!


Good post, I remember your statement from an article IIRC that you thought that your old 270 was the hammer of Thor (my interpretation) until you found out the bullets were only traveling about 2700 fps. It changed the way I thought about max loads and trying to get that last 50 fps. At the ranges where the vast majority of game is killed 50-100 fps make no difference. Many big game Ouija board witnesses can attest to this. grin


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Originally Posted by Prwlr
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Most rifle loony endeavors (whether a new rifle, scope, cartridge, powder etc,) involve the expectation of completely changing your life. Good luck!


Good post, I remember your statement from an article IIRC that you thought that your old 270 was the hammer of Thor (my interpretation) until you found out the bullets were only traveling about 2700 fps. It changed the way I thought about max loads and trying to get that last 50 fps. At the ranges where the vast majority of game is killed 50-100 fps make no difference. Many big game Ouija board witnesses can attest to this. grin


Been there for quite a while. My "stock" loads for the .270, '06, and .308 are all pretty mild. My brass and barrels appreciate it. Under typical conditions around here, blazing speed just creates more instant aspic when the bullet lands. I've also lowered my usual 100-yard sighting in most cases to make precise placement at practical ranges easier. Long shots aren't common here, but quick ones are. It's hard to remember to hold a bit low when you're rushed; easy and natural to hold up a bit at longer range.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348


I've also lowered my usual 100-yard sighting in most cases to make precise placement at practical ranges easier. Long shots aren't common here, but quick ones are. It's hard to remember to hold a bit low when you're rushed; easy and natural to hold up a bit at longer range.


Me too, I seldom setup more than 1.5" high at 100. Normally I sight in at 200 because I tend to hold higher at distance than needed.

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Prwlr,

I think you're confusing a couple of articles. Have written about how my first .243 was only getting around 2750-2800 with 105-grain Speer Hot-Cors, which the manual I got the load from (which used the same length barrel) listed it as right around 3000 fps. Also, have written about how a good friend (and fellow gun writer) was only getting 2700 fps from 160-grain bullets in his first 7mm Remington Magnum. In both instances, we'd been killing big game with our rifles and handloads for several years before our first chronographs disillusioned us.

My first .270, on the other hand, got pretty close to "book velocities," around 3000 fps with 130's and 2850 with 150's, from a 22" barrel.


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Thanks for resynchronizing my two working synapses.


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Hey, I'm old enough to be personally well-acquainted with the syndrome!


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Under typical conditions around here, blazing speed just creates more instant aspic


For real. Discovered a 130gr Accubond over 60 gr H4831SC makes a godawful mess of a deer with a shoulder shot. Son shot a couple there at under 100 yds. Went back to his 7x57.


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There's a reason I like the .300 Savage as an upstate PA deer rifle. It has something to do with not having to discard most of a shoulder if the hit is a bit too far forward.

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Originally Posted by shootem
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Under typical conditions around here, blazing speed just creates more instant aspic


For real. Discovered a 130gr Accubond over 60 gr H4831SC makes a godawful mess of a deer with a shoulder shot. Son shot a couple there at under 100 yds. Went back to his 7x57.


I load the 130 accubond over 55 gr of H4831SC in my wifes 270. Its a pussycat to shoot, puts bullets in the same hole, and kills just right at 100 ish yds


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Under typical conditions around here, blazing speed just creates more instant aspic


For real. Discovered a 130gr Accubond over 60 gr H4831SC makes a godawful mess of a deer with a shoulder shot. Son shot a couple there at under 100 yds. Went back to his 7x57.

I never (dare I say) wanted a .270 due to having a 7x57, but have somehow acquired two. 60gr H4831 and the 130gr Hornady is "the load" in each. Very accurate, but hardly the "hammer of Thor", and no bang-flops. Have had several of those with the 7mm though, with less blast and recoil and less meat damage. And I now have three 7mms. whistle



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As the Grand Poobah is fond to hearing stated, the .270 Win. is the cat's meow in cartridge tech.

Its what the 7x57 Mauser was aimed to be upon conception, but never achieved in practise - hence hiding under the 275 Rigby moniker in some jurisdictions.

It is just so, that the .270 Winchester is so much more just so.


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Under typical conditions around here, blazing speed just creates more instant aspic


For real. Discovered a 130gr Accubond over 60 gr H4831SC makes a godawful mess of a deer with a shoulder shot. Son shot a couple there at under 100 yds. Went back to his 7x57.


My standard load is a160gr NP at presumeably 2700 or so via 56gr of W780. Three deer have flopped or stumbled and flopped after dose of that so far. Just got back from the range after swapping the scope on my FN. 160s land an inch high, 150gr Sierras an inch higher. At 9lbs 14oz, not sure how much field time it's gonna get!


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If there's something better than the O'Connor load of 62 gr and a long drop tube, I haven't seen it.


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Don't need a drop tube with H4831SC.


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I've found 60gr of RL26 under a 145ELDX gives over 3100fps MV. Who needs a 7RM?


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I believe somebody even mentioned that combination in a recent magazine article....


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