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Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://mynorthwest.com/1510612/study-finds-the-universe-might-be-2-billion-years-younger/?

Evidently the materialists are having a hard time keeping their fairy tales straight!

Science today is mostly alchemists hoping to find gold in carbon. Overly-sensitive spineless little creatures once full of knowledge now turned into lies.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Photon get tired? Can't imagine how that would work. Law of conservation of energy. We have some very old photons to investigate in the form of cosmic background radiation (Penzias and Wilson). Nobody's reported anything hinky about them as far as I know. Now there's your red shift - all the way to microwaves.


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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Photon get tired? Can't imagine how that would work. Law of conservation of energy. We have some very old photons to investigate in the form of cosmic background radiation (Penzias and Wilson). Nobody's reported anything hinky about them as far as I know. Now there's your red shift - all the way to microwaves.


CBR is very red shifted from scattering. [not the original photons]


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Not sure I buy that. I get the scattering part generally, like a photon making its way out of the sun. But I don't think it's operative here. More like an photon decoupling from matter moving really fast.


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Photon get tired? Can't imagine how that would work. Law of conservation of energy. We have some very old photons to investigate in the form of cosmic background radiation (Penzias and Wilson). Nobody's reported anything hinky about them as far as I know. Now there's your red shift - all the way to microwaves.


CBR is very red shifted from scattering. [not the original photons]


Not true. CBR is red shifted due to the relative velocity of (a) its source and (b) us, not scattering.


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Math dudes off by 2 billion... maybe?
Math dudes should abandon hubris and learn chagrin

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://mynorthwest.com/1510612/study-finds-the-universe-might-be-2-billion-years-younger/?

Evidently the materialists are having a hard time keeping their fairy tales straight!


Whether the universe is 13.7 billion years old or 11.4 billion years old in immaterial. It is older than anyone on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://mynorthwest.com/1510612/study-finds-the-universe-might-be-2-billion-years-younger/?

Evidently the materialists are having a hard time keeping their fairy tales straight!


Whether the universe is 13.7 billion years old or 11.4 billion years old in immaterial. It is older than anyone on this forum.

And, older than a third of posters think it is.


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Interesting. You challenge science because they made a revision to an estimate. And you base your ridicule on a bible that has been mistranslated and revised how many times?


If you care to know the facts, you can read the forward to almost any new Bible. I am not talking about paraphrased types to make them easy to read. The forward will tell you they are using the oldest available manuscripts in the original languages. Some manuscripts go back to the first century. There is nothing the Bible in ancient literature.


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The difference between Doppler and light scattering is understood well enough....

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The earth is flat and 8436 yrs old.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Math dudes off by 2 billion... maybe?
Math dudes should abandon hubris and learn chagrin

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Where's the hubris in admitting that previous theories may (or may not) may have been off to some degree?

Fact is you just don't like these people because they don't simply take things on faith like you do. You don't seem to have a problem running down people who's only "crime" seems to be holding a different opinion than yours.

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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Of course hard drive space is real. Each data bit occupies physical space consisting of magnetic domains.
For more data either you need greater physical size or use fewer domains per bit. Of course space meaning an area within a field.


the information we put in does not take up actual physical space.
writing or deleting from a hard drive does not increase or decrease volume.
The containers that hold bytes take up space, but writing bytes only changes the orientation of the bytes.


BTW: your alleged beyond time and space realm God was found in the confines of a wooden box called the Ark,
but only after He made his way down from his location on the mountain.




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Any 'beyond time and space' realm must have its own time and space....unless its a Singularity. A Black Hole.

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Originally Posted by DBT
Any 'beyond time and space' realm must have its own time and space....unless its a Singularity. A Black Hole.


apparently Jesus has a sand clock that never runs out.

Seems he also has royal stables, cause he will be returning on a white horse.

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Look, the way science works is that it observes the evidence, makes a conclusion, and does some observations to test that conslucion.
If new evidence shows up, the conclusion can be modified. That has happened MANY TIMES in all branches of science.


You can bet any christian on trial for a serious crime would welcome modern forensic science proving their innocence.
and any christian already imprisoned would welcome new improved less error prone science that could overturn a wrong conviction.

I wonder if there are any christians out there that would insist that prayers are the answer rather than LE using forensic science
to assist in capture and conviction of the killer or rapist of their child.

The Pope recently got stuck in a Vatican lift, but it wasn't prayers that got him out , it was a team of trained firefighters.


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Originally Posted by Starman
the information we put in does not take up actual physical space.


I said. "Of course space meaning an area within a field." I try to not confine myself to space-time.


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by DBT
Any 'beyond time and space' realm must have its own time and space....unless its a Singularity. A Black Hole.


apparently Jesus has a sand clock that never runs out.

Seems he also has royal stables, cause he will be returning on a white horse.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Look, the way science works is that it observes the evidence, makes a conclusion, and does some observations to test that conslucion.
If new evidence shows up, the conclusion can be modified. That has happened MANY TIMES in all branches of science.


You can bet any christian on trial for a serious crime would welcome modern forensic science proving their innocence.
and any christian already imprisoned would welcome new improved less error prone science that could overturn a wrong conviction.

I wonder if there are any christians out there that would insist that prayers are the answer rather than LE using forensic science
to assist in capture and conviction of the killer or rapist of their child.

The Pope recently got stuck in a Vatican lift, but it wasn't prayers that got him out , it was a team of trained firefighters.


And then they thank god, whereas god put them in that position in the first place.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?
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Originally Posted by DBT
Any 'beyond time and space' realm must have its own time and space....unless its a Singularity. A Black Hole.

Why?


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Did Jesus take his resurrected earthly body to heaven on ascension?

What form does Jesus take when sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven?

IF Jesus does not have an actual physical presence in heaven, then where did his physical form body end up?


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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Originally Posted by DBT
Any 'beyond time and space' realm must have its own time and space....unless its a Singularity. A Black Hole.

Why?


Why? Because rate of change is what we call time. If God exists and is capable of thought, that thought has a beginning a middle and an end, the thought has a rate of progress from beginning to end and the rate of progress is time....time being relative.

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