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Stopped in a local gun shop yesterday, he had a few cans so I grabbed 1. Stuff is pretty rare around here

You're gonna love it J-Man. I'm still shooting a knight disc
(Orange) from 20(?) Years ago with a Burris FF3-9x from the same time period. Its always been a good shooter with harvester crush rib and .44 240gr XTP's. But 100Gr. Of BH209 is by far the most accurate. Had trouble with regular 209's failing to ignite loads and switched to CCI 209M's. No issue since. Bought a T/C encore 209x50 for the boy and need to sight it in. Forgot to take it with me today.

Copy I'll pick up some cci 209 mags. Thanks jack

Will be shooting some BH209 tonite. I've played with 777 for too long (on my 3rd year) - cleaning every shot or two. Got the BH209 breech plug for the CVA Accura V2 and will use the stock plug in my T/C Omega and low charge weights.

Blackhorn recommends either the Fed 209A or CCI 209A. I've been running the Fed, so I'll start with that.

The stuff looks a lot like SR-4759 with the hollow, macaroni-like grains. Not at all like the ground-up charcoal of Triple 7.

Killed a Leupold FX-III 6x42 last range session with the Muzzleloaders in tow. I think the SWFA 6x42 switchover will handle the job. Utah hunt is only 3 weeks out.

Someone care to give me the diameter of the CCI 209A vs the Fed 209A? Blowby has been an issue with the CVA, which I think has mostly been a headspace issue (known to CVA) rather that a tight fit of the primer. But if the CCI 209A fits tighter, I'd be inclined to switch.

Nice kill a goodun!!

All we had locally so I’ll give em a try..
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I’m shooting it in my Muzzleloader with 250 gr Thor’s. I shoot 110 gr by volume and it shoots pretty damn good. I did have some trouble with Winchester primers but after switching to CCI’s no issues whatsoever. I also had to swap out the breach plug on my CVA to use BH. Praying like hell I get to put one of those Thor’s in a bull after Sat morning!

I was pleasantly surprised during my range session with BH209 last nite. I was running weighed charges and had previously determined 73.3 gr (wt) = 100 gr vol. Shot some Barnes 290 gr TMZ and TEZ's in the CVA Accura V2 and the Fed 209A using 70 and 75 gr by wieght. About 10 shots total, which included sighting in a new scope. So, 1 shot at 50 yds, 3 shots @ 100 and the rest @ 150. I did clean once after 6 shots just to see. Cleaned with T/C Bore Butter followed by a clean patch. It did come out dirty, but you don't feel the "crud ring". Last two shots with 75.o gr were right at 1" at the 150 yd line. Wish I had switched over last year - all that talk about BH209 seemed too good to be true - WELL IT ISN'T!!!

I feel the flat based TEZ shoots and loads better than the boattail designed TMZ.

Good luck on your elk hunt AlaskaCub. A Colorado elk MZ hunt is next on my list. I'm playing around with the 300 gr Thor and the 300 gr Powerbelt Aerolite for a non-saboted, CO-legal bullet.

I use exclusively, my knight and my wife’s Impact.

Copy just got some federal bor loks coming today, we’ll see how she does

I wouldn't use bore butter if I were you. Hoppe's will do the trick.

Why in the world would you do that with BH209?

First off Bore Bummer is not a cleaner its a lubricant and second BH209 is a nitro based powder. Do you clean your centerfires with Bore Bummer too? Overall its a pretty piss poor product as far as protection goes. Any good synthetic gun oil does a better job at preventing rust. If you want to patch with something between shots use a 50/50 mix of Hoppes and 91% ISO alcohol. Its really not needed but i know some competitive shooters that do with that mix.

I used Bore Butter because these were the cleaning patches I had with me at in my MZ shooting kit I brought to the range the first day I tried me some BH209 - that's all. I do know that i put two shots into an inch at 150 yds after cleaning, Patches were pretty dirty after the first 7 shots. I'm not a big fan of having bottles of liquid cleaner at the range. I also have some T/C T17 saturated cleaning patches that are made for cleaning 777 and BH209,

So . . . . how many shots do you guys take at the range before you clean the barrel? I based my cleaning on when I noticed a change in seating of the saboted bullets.

You missed the point entirely. BH209 should not be cleaned up with water based solvents. Its right on the Western website. You can make up patches yourself with the mix i suggested. Store them in a similar container as the over priced pretreated patches come in. You can probably make 4 times as many patches for the same amount of money or less and it wont be a water based solvent....Use whatever centerfire solvent you normally use cut 50% with 91% ISO or ISO based fuel line deicer. Its simple and cheap. A bottle of ISO HEET is under $2 at most auto parts stores or Walmart.

When shooting sabots i almost never swab when shooting BH209. There is no need to do it. Ive loaded well over 20 shots with no problems whatsoever. When shooting sabotless it does help sometimes if the bullets are sized on the tight side.

These wont be exact but its pretty close. Lot to lot variations are somewhat large for 209 primers. If you can find them i would suggest the Nobel primers. They are called NSI 209/686 or 209/688 but the 688s can be a pain to find. The Nobels fit the CVA plugs the best and work fine. They are as long as the Win209s but larger OD. They will NOT fit some USA made breach plugs like Knights. Mag primers that belch fouling into your breach are worse than a standard primer that seals well. 90% of the time i use a standard Win209 in my plugs without a single hickup. Just keep your flash channel clean of carbon.




Do this with a 1/8" bit around every 15 shots. Better your primer seals the less carbon will build up so you might even be able to go longer. Mag primers leave more carbon.

The Barnes ML bullets that I use are tapered at the base. I seat the sabot on the powder with the ramrod and then drop in the bullet and seat it. Easy to do and every time that I have checked, same accuracy as seating the conventional way. miles

I've been using BH209 for over 3 years and I love it. Good velocities and no swabbing between shots. Cleans up easily with a few patches of Hoppes #9. I'm sold!

Ron

I run 120gr BH209, 250 gr SST's, MMP sabots and CCI 209M. = 1 tiny index finger sized hole at 100 yards. Devastating on mule deer! Thumb sized going in, first sized going out. Femur, ribs, back, it don't matter it's going all the way through like a freight train. Nose straight in the dirt!

Haven't figured out how to get muzzle velocity without destroying my chrono yet, but manufacture puts it as over 2100 FPS with loose sabots, but mine are tight.

Okay, I read their FAQ's. Clean with "regular" centerfire sovents.

No need to grease up the breech plug either (but I still do for some reason)

Can't believe this stuff isn't considered smokeless since it's made with nitrocellulose.