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Democrats frown on targeting gang databases with 'red flag' laws

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House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.

“The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.”

Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans.

Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria.

Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign.

“Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said.

Buck said police have to meet a much higher threshold to list someone as a gang member.

“This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn't just one sign,” Buck told Nadler.

Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California offered to support the amendment if Buck agreed to include those listed “individuals affiliated with white nationalism.”

Buck agreed, but he said the language should include “any type of supremacy.”

“Let’s add Cosa Nostra to this,” Buck added.

The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy.

Democrats in 2016 staged a “sit-in” on the House floor, refusing to let the GOP majority conduct legislative business, in part because Republicans would not pass "No-Fly, No-Buy" legislation, which would prevent people on the federal no-fly list from purchasing guns.

“It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the 'No Fly, No Buy' list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this is as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said.

“If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."

“Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”

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They just don’t want to red flag any potential voters that support their party. DemoRats.

"Let's add Cosa Nostra to this."

I say, "Let's add Black Lives Matter to this."

Can't disarm our shock troops, now can we......

Black Lives only matter to DemoRats when they vote.
See Chitcago. 😜

Unintended consequences , VFW, American Legion, Elks, Rotary, Kawanis, KOC, NRA, Safari, any Gun Club, Hunting Club, etc, belong to one of these gangs and get RED FLAGGED???

Just when you thought those dhimicrats could stoop no lower.

So if you live a in California and are a NRA member that has been listed as a terroist organization can you be red flagged. Ed k

I've never thought that with demoncraps anymore than I would with Satan himself, because they are one in the same.

Republican Party.

California did not list the NRA as a terrorist organization.

Was it just one town in California that did the listing on the NRA? Ed k

The city council of San Francisco voted to declare the NRA a terrorist organization.

Heard on Hannity yesterday if you're a gang member you're immune to Red Flag laws, according to dhimirats.

You just can't make this stuff up.

The issue of "due process" is a primary concern with any "red flag" legislation. It should be limited to immediate mental health concerns. To merge a list of gang bangers to red flag would be confusing and serves no purpose. Big cities with existing gang member lists most likely would not rise to the level of probable cause. A mediocre defense attorney could argue that list membership is no guarantee of gun violence and question the process of gaining entry to such a list.
A more important exercise would be to cite the high incidence of dropped gun-related charges as prosecuting attorneys look to keep their case loads moving at the expense of public safety. But this would increase the minority disparity of gun crimes and likely prison terms - a big cause du-jour in our "modern era".

At fist glance, red flag laws seem to make sense but the potential for abuse is so great that they become a non-starter. To the anti-gun people, any present gun-owner should be red flagged unless they can prove they are (a) a Democrat, (b) homosexual, or (c) a member of any organization comprised of mostly non-whites. This means many urban gangs would be OK but the Irish and Russian, organised, crime organizations might have a problem.
Police ignore gangs now until after they have committed an indictable offense. I did, one time, have a cop give me photos of gang members suspected in gun store robberies but he was breaking the rules by doing so. Apparently, warning a potential victim isn't kosher. GD

Maybe I should join a gang so that I am immune.

I wonder if there are any gangs nearby that would let me apply for membership?

I suppose my being white and a Republican would ruin my eligibility!

Sure you can. You just did.