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Aside from the most obvious 260 Remington, what cartridges has the 6.5 Creed hurt most? I am thinking the 7mm-08 is a likely candidate.

Wouldn’t trade my 7/08 for a dozen Creeds.

Local shop that sells a ton of guns had like 2 243s in stock and i asked why so few. Guy said no one wants one. They buy a 223 and if they want a deer rifle they ask for the creedmoor.

25-06 and 7mm-08.

Others could speak to this with much more insight than me, but the 6.5 Creedmoor really put the hurt on the .308 Winchester in the steel clanging community.

243

In order:

.243 Win
.25-‘06 Rem
.260 Rem
7mm-08 Rem
.270 Win
.308 Win

Truth be known, the .243 is getting pounded by both Creeds, 6 and 6.5.

The .25-‘06 and .260 don’t sell many units anyway, so it doesn’t take much Creed competition to tske a sizable percentage of sales.

The 7mm-08 is the most logical competitor, and the 6.5 Creedmoor just does quite a bit better in factory rifles and ammo.

Folks are finally figuring out you don’t need a .270 to kill deer.

The .308 is getting hurt in both the target market and especially for “long range” hunting where it went from darling to being hardly even talked about in that space.

There are others, like the 6mm Rem, .257 Roberts, 6.5x55, 7x57 and .280 Rem/.280 AI, but those sell so few new rifles as it is (and was before the Creedmoor) that a percentage of nothing amounts to nothing so their old fans will keep these cartridges about where they already were.

Sales for a lot of cartridges have been impacted by the CM popularity, from .30-06 down. Most affected? I would guess .243, 7mm-08 and .308 in terms of total number sold. If talking percentages, I wouldn't even hazard a guess.

I think the 6.5 and .300 PRC will affect a lot of others.

.243 What? 😬

Noticed the Tikka T3X hunter on clearance in 270, 06', 243 with the 308 being the cheapest.

Only one cartridge more Swede than the Creed 😎


Trystan

Seriously. I think a well-practiced and experienced hunter could take all non-dangerous game all over the world with suitable rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor and .300 PRC.

Could be the best combo ever.

I’d say 308, especially for target shooting. I think the CM really benefited from its time of release, because bullet technology was improving giving the CM viability in the big-game hunting world. It seems to be the cartridge that has proven to people that you don’t need a 30-06 to kill a deer or a 338WM to kill an elk. I’m sure that plenty of people had figured that out well before the creedmoor, but not too long ago I heard people regularly spouting off that a 7-08 and 270 were on the light side for deer, whereas now nobody thinks twice if you shoot an elk with a 6.5.

Disagree respectfully. 308 is more popular than ever due to its military pedigree and the subsequent tacti-[bleep] attraction.

7-08 is pretty flat as it’s a hunting round...

I’d say the 300WM and 338 Lapua honestly. It isn’t that these aren’t good hunting rounds because they are but in my kneck of the woods people were buying and using them for long range paper punching...now they have the cm

I digress...total numbers

223/556

That would’ve been my guess. That and the 30-06

My 6.5 Creedmoor is my 243. 7mm-08 and 308 are still good........

350 legend....... FO’ SHO’

Of the popular ones, the 7-08 and the .243.

"Them thur Creed-moors recoil jes like a 243."

Yeah, right.

I'm with the guys listing .308 Win....it's likely affected the sale of rifles in every other short action round, but I think it put the biggest kink in .308's with the shooting crowd.

Except you go into most any gun shop and there are plenty of AR-10’s... because there is a huge fad in this country for black rifles currently. Id wager an extremely high percentage of that crowd doesnt even know what a 6.5 is.

I just bought a cheap .243 and it will soon be a Creed! I agree with the calibers listed here, but I still have an -06, .308 and .270!

Earlier this year I bought a junker Savage 111GNS with a rusty and pitted barrel (inside and out). Had the action refinished with graphite black Ceracote. Plan is to make it a 6.5 PRC. Considered the .300PRC but COL is longer than the mag length by .200".

577 T Rex.

243 for sure in my book. And with the fast twist 6mm Creed? Well who needs a 1:10 twist 243? JMO

The .308 with the shooting crowd and the .243 with the big-game hunting crowd. I shoot them all, but the 6.5CM outclasses both in those arenas.

It has probably hurt way more feelings than cartridges.

In Ohio? I thought it was straight walled rounds for deer.

There is a 6.5 Creedmoor in the safe right now. It hasn't beat up any of the other rifles in there. The 270 and 300 WSM keep it in line. The 30/06 doesn't take any chit from it either. When I put it in there I told it to respect it's elders or down the road you go.

.308


Because all the "Look at me, I bought a rifle, now I'm a sniper" guys are buying the 6.5 instead"

I mainly use a .223 with a Sierra 65gr bullet to harvest all of my deer.

I see some renewed interest in the 6.5x55 which could be indirectly influenced by the creed. 22 creed will put a crimp on the 22-250 AI no doubt. The 243 is doing well around here so it will be a long time before the creed catches up if it ever does.

Among Montana hunters the sales of.243's are most affected, because the 6.5 Creedmoor has largely replaced it as the "starter" cartridge for younger hunters, as well as women.

But have also known some he-men hunters who use 6.5 Creeds rather than some harder-kicking "classic" rounds....

Bull scheit, you've never seen an ar10 chambered for 6.5 cm? Trust me, the 308 is taking a back seat to the creed. Even with guys running ar10 rifles. I know, its hard for the 308 fans to accept.

My go everywhere rifle is a T3 Lite in 308. If I were buying for this purpose now it would be a T3x Superlight in 6.5 C. Times change.



mike r

Do you grow them as a crop?

Not for me. I've been a 308 user and fan for about 35 years and it's almost certain that the next barrel my main hunting 308 will get will be chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. The reason I say almost is my gunsmith may have a good, inexpensive takeoff barrel in something else that interests me. I made out really well with a 243 that way.

Among hunters I'd say it put the biggest dent in sales of 7mm-08 and .243.

For hunting rifles
7mm-08
.270 win
.308
.243

Hurt 7mm-08 more by % but .270, .308, and .243 more by gross sales since more popular and sold more

I personally shoot a .270 win and want a creed. My boys have 7mm-08 and .243. If ammo makers start making reduced recoil 6.5 creed ammo like custom lite and gun makers offer more youth rifles it will take over youth rifle market, along with all purpose, and long range. I almost bit on Ruger American compact in 6.5 creed for my son but didn’t.

Im not a .308 fan, im a gun fan... im also a fan of common sense... common sense says the vast majority of people who own guns have no clue what a 6.5C is....

I have a real hankering for a .260 or a 7-08 but in Iowa there is nothing we can hunt with them except coyote and I have a .243 for that. The Creed doesn't even interest me.

kwg

Trust me, you’re an idiot.

Funny you’ve jumped on the creed bandwagon when not long ago anybody that shot a short action was a pu ssy.

I’m going to hunt the creed this year, I’ll let you know if it takes over for the 308.

You continue to grind away killing paper at 100 yds and telling us all how great you are.

Find any of those pics yet?

Truth is, there are a bunch of cartridges that will do an excellent job in most of our paper punching and hunting situations. Over the years, there have been many new cartridges burst on the scene that got everyone's attention. My policy is that they are all good in one way or another and I need to accumulate as many rifles in as many different calibers as I can. The only problem that creates is figuring out which one to grab on the way out the door.
Phil

25-06
270

The Creedmoor’s hype produced a different outcome for me. I probably would have never been interested in a 6.5-anything had it not been for all of the fuss about the Creedmoor. However, I found a Tikka T3x stainless Hunter in a 260 Rem. and I joined the 6.5 club by adopting this stepchild cartridge. At the 300 and 400 meter backstops, I have put up some of the very best groups in my life with this little guy. My 260 is pleasant to shoot, easy to reload for, damn accurate, has legs, and it is just an all around fun cartridge for me. I am delighted that the Creedmoor brought me to the 6.5 party, but I just ended up with a different partner. CP.

Exactly. I have several calibers, but started the 6.5 thing with my .260s. I went that way, because I already had lots of .308 brass. I now have two of them and have a Creed and soon to have another. My other rifles have been doing lots of safe time, since going the 6.5 route. I like the Creed for longer bullets, due to magazine length and the 130-class bullets in my .260s.

I think that the Creed has taken over as the "first" rifle for young people and women, because it has a mild recoil that needs no reduction, plus hits plenty hard for any first-time hunter. It just fills the gap a bit better than a .243, in my opinion, but there was no fly on the .243 that I had either!

I don't understand why it has to be a "which cartridges has the 6.5 Creed hurt most", either-or scenario... most of us have more than one rifle, and more than one chambering. The Creed is just one more added to a battery...

The 6.5 Creedmoor is doing a pretty respectable job of sweeping aside a wide range of short action and small bore low power cartridges. From a big game hunting utility perspective it's got the .243, .257 Roberts, .25-06, .260 and .270 solidly beat. The 7mm-08, 7x57 and .280 retain a hair of additional utility, but only with 175s in a suitably twisted barrel, so they're nearly sunk too. The .308 and .30-06 still have some utility for longer bore life, and as crossover hoofed animal/bear rounds. But it's looking more and more like the .308 will be autloader only and the .30-06 will get what it deserves, which is obscurity. We're not there yet but getting there.

The rounds that are safe from the 6.5CM are the .280 AI and 7mm magnums. It really can't come close to the performance, although the 6.5 PRC and the 6.5 WSM if ever adequately standardized are possible competitors.

On the dangerous game crossover end the medium bore magnums continue to dominate as they should.

Might be dependent on where one lives, what he hunts and what kind of critters frequent the area. I don't know any one here in Alaska that favors the Creed over their "old Betsy" they have used for years. No one is giving up their .270, 30-06, .35 Whelan or .300 and .338 Mag. for the small Creedmoor bullet and case. Even though the 6.5 Creedmoor can reliably put good sized critters down with a good bullet in the right place at the right speed, the hunters I know prefer some thing bigger.

If I was state side I would use my T3X Superlite Creed on most things. I am aware of a couple of guys doing good hunting and good kills with it, but they are all I am aware of. Most guys I know that have years of hunting under their belts know a bear is not behind every bush waiting to maul and eat them. But, most find comfort and confidence hunting with some thing that is proven to have all of the "right stuff" for a big bear if needed because that load will also dispatch moose and caribou. I like shooting my CTR and Superlite Creeds and know the little Creed would have worked well on the 44 inch bull moose I caught in the open at less then 200 yards Sept. 1st and shot with my .338 Win. and 225 grain TTSX.

I like shooting, hunting and guns, always have. I know many Alaskan's who are hunters, I know fewer that I consider hunter shooters and hand loaders and fewer yet I consider shooters and hand loaders. I know several like me who got the 6.5 Creed for a son, daughter or grandkid or for range use banging steel. I like it and hope to see some caribou, moose and black bear taken with it by one of the grandkids.

Did the ol’ ‘06 pee in your cheerios? 😳

Location, location, Location

Plus

Application

I’d say 243 for either. Maybe 7/08 too. Mayyyyybe 270?

It still lacks the frontal .30 cal size to punish inside of 250 yards for northeast medium to large game HUNTING. I don’t see how it competes in that role, bunting, in the woods, in the NE, with .308 or 06. Inside of 250 yards it definitely does not. So it isn’t pushing

Target, it’s going to push the .308 off.

Steaming pile of chit post .laughing

Good post 1Ak.

I think Llama Bob was looking for the sarcasm icon

25/06 could feel it. So I could see that taking a bite in the ass, but i’d Still reach for or buy another of those first.

Not so sure about the 25-06 being in jeopardy either.

Here is a link to a good article comparing them:

Ron Spomer 25-06 and 6.5 Creedmoor

Agreed. I’m just speculating. It was/has never really been a wildly popular round, in the first place. Like, before I was born. But I like it better than 6.5 CM inside of 400 yards in a big way.

Maybe someone like Horny or whomever else will begin to pay attention to it and market fantastic loads.

I still would take it over the creed. For certain things.

Must have.😉 The old otter six has taken on all comers for a long long time. Done quite well too I might add. Don't think any of the Creedmoor family of fine cartridges is going to topple it. Accurate,trendy,pleasant to shoot and efficient, but it won't ever fill the ought sixes boots. There's something about a 180 partition at 2,750 fps that levels a lot of playing fields in a non magnum package.

Well, I have a much harder time wanting a 308 since I drank the KoolAid. And, I'd like to add, I don't have a quilt!

On the opposite side of that, I have purchased a 308 Winchester since I bought my 6.5 CM. Not to say I don’t like the Creedmoor; I do. And it shoots great and will be my main whitetail rifle this Fall. But, it won’t replace my 7mm-08’s or my .308. And like Brad asked, “why does a great, good shooting, relatively new cartridge have to hurt other great, good shooting, older cartridges? It may in the short run, cause some to buy it instead of another just because they want to try it and may find that it fits a need in their safe. But in the long run, I think most will find that there is definitely a place for the older great cartridges.

The 270 made the 30-06 obsolete years ago...... ha

While I agree with some of what you wrote, I disagree with some as well.

For starters, the 6.5 Creedmore falls short to a well loaded .270 Win. Daughter’s l.270 load for a 150g ABLR beats Hornady’s 143g ELD-X for the 6.5CM by 6” drop, 150fps, 265fpe and 1/2” drift at 500.

As to the ..30-06, it will be around and popular for decades to come – for many good reasons.

{Edit to add]
Made a mistake in my original calculations and used 7500ft altitude for the .270 instead of 500. (The 6.5 CM calcs were at 500.) The numbers have been corrected. Original numbers were "9” drop, 300fps, 500fpe and 4-1/2” drift".

More importantly for our purposes, at 7000ft altitude and above, and while the 6.5 has a miniscule advantage in drift out to 300 yards (after which the .270 wins), the .270 load beats it handily in all other categories put to 1000 yards, the limit of my calculations.
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"From a big game hunting utility perspective". Horse chit. Now all the critters I've killed with the 243, 25/06 and 270 must have been figments of my imagination. Now that the mighty Creedmoor is on the scene I'll never kill another. Good Lord.

What I've noticed is the Creedmoor has generated more irrational butthurt than cartridge hurt.

And a heaping helping of horse chit.

The Creedmoor(s) are really nice cartridges, but BS from people like Llama_Bob do them no service.

Yep.

I’m guessing the 460 Weatherby !!

Here is the thing most old farts on a hunting forum don't understand about the 6.5 CM. Hunters are a dying breed. But target shooters are increasing in numbers and the trend in rifles, optics, and cartridges is geared toward where the future sales are going to be. The younger guys who do hunt still spend more time at the range shooting than hunting. And it is perfectly natural for them to use the rifles, cartridges, and other gear for hunting that they are comfortable with at the range.

There are lots of choices better suited for purely hunting than the 6.5 CM, at least on paper. In the real world there isn't a single animal I'd hunt with a 270, 308, or 7-08, where I'd feel the least bit handicapped if I had a 6.5 CM in my hands. With modern optics no one gives a crap that a 270 shoots flatter than a 6.5 CM. With modern optics the trajectory is easily accounted for. Or if it has 200 ft lbs more energy at the muzzle. At the muzzle all of them have more than enough energy and the better 6.5 bullets really close the gap by about 200 yards. No animal will ever know the difference between any of the 3 above. Nor most any other cartridge.

But as a dual purpose target/hunting round the 6.5 is by far the better option, especially if buying off the shelf ammo and rifles. With custom loads and rifles you can do pretty much the same thing with any of them. If you have a rifle in just about any cartridge that you like, then keep using it. That's what I'm doing. I'm heavily invested in 308 and really like several rifles I own. The 6.5 is the better cartridge, but at this point in my life I'm not going to sell what I have and start over. But I'd tell any younger shooter to go 6.5 CM and not look back.

As far as "hurting " cartridge sales of other calibers, the ammo and firearms companies don't give a hoot, because they are still making money no matter WHAT rifle /cartridge a guy buys, as long as he buys !
I have lots of hunting rifles, I also have lots of match rifles, a Creedmoor among them.
Would I buy a Creedmoor for a hunting rifle? Nope, not unless it was in a particular action I liked, because the 6.5 Creedmoor does no more and even less in some cases than the 6.5X54MS, 260Rem, 6.5X55, 6.5/284, or any of the other piles of 6.5's out there.
Cat

I guess being a hand loader of some 45 years experience, I over look the factory fodder attraction. I can appreciate the benefits the 6.5 Creedmoor provides those that don't hand load.

Likewise I wouldn't feel slighted , for the most part, pointing the 6.5 Creedmoor at most game I pursue. I do however have certain limits in my own mind not worth airing here.

The dual purpose target / hunting round status is really where it's at with the 6.5 CM. I don't consider it ideal as a varmint round. My 22/250 in my eyes is where it's at. If for no other reason than I like the 52 and 53 grain hollow points for their fragile nature. I'd like to try the 22 CM. But medium game / target duty is right up the 6.5s alley.

For me. The ranges that I have taken game at don't take any advantage of the ballistic edge the CM provides. Just a sad fact. My longest game shot was at 343 yards. Muley buck. One shot from the 270. Hornady 130 spire point. DRT. Not very exciting. The second longest was 300 +/- a yard. Whitetail doe. One 140 grain Sierra from a 7 mag under her chin. Again nuttin exciting. The CM wouldn't have given, or taken anything away from either event. Pretty much a wash. The same can be said of the 308, 243, 25/06, or any belted magnum. I don't hunt at breath taking distances,lol.

Ill bring in another Creedmoor some day soon. Waiting for Tikka to chamber the 6 and 22. I've posted on several occasions that I harbour no ill feelings toward the round. I do get a kick out of the blanket " Last word" posts from some of the Jack wagons on the web. I tend to call horse chit what it is when I smell it. Objective, intelligently written posts like the one quoted here are enjoyable reading though.

Not even close. The .270 fails out of the gate due to the only SD > 0.3 bullets having to be intentionally blunted to achieve stability. The BCs suck. It's crippled as a big game rifle.

Call me when there's an equivalent of the 160gr .264 Weldcore that'll stabilize in a 1:10" .270 Of course, you won't be calling because it's not physically possible to make that bullet due to the twist rate mistake made during the .270s initial design.

In the mean time I'll be shooting the superior Creedmoor and laughing at .270 losers

And it's spelled Creedmoor. Like the range.

Hunters aren't a dying breed at all - there isn't hardly a tag left in the state other than bear. What's dying are hunters who feel compelled to constrain themselves to cartridges with design errors that have been propagated since the 19th century. There's no reason for a hunter to be shooting a cartridge with a shoulder angle, case taper, and throat geometry designed for a machine gun 100+ (or even 50) years ago. We've improved on that garbage.

Personally, the 6.5 Creed hasn’t hurt anything...Except for losing a few Cnotes from my wallet buying a couple. The Creed has been an addition not a subtraction from what I own. 😎

Exactly this ^^^^^ for those who enjoy rifles, hunting and shooting...If I was going to help buy my wife or young hunter a cf for hunting that was moderate in recoil with a shît ton of loading options. 6.5, 308, 260, and 7/08 would cover it. 😎

Yep. When my daughter decided to buy her first rifle with her own money,she did the research. Told me she was looking at the 6.5 Creedmoor. I supported her decision and shopping we went. I later picked one up myself. Cool little round. Another good option for a younger, smaller built person that wants a good return from their choice.

LOL....at least Half the AR10 platforms I get asked to help finish out or to work on are 6.5 Creedmoor. The CM was INTENDED to work with long/high BC bullets in a standard, short action mag box.

Other than having a higher pressure at the gas port, the 6.5CM and 6CM are much more useful autoloader rounds than the .308. No question.

What has become of this place? pre-Creedmoor this statement would have resulted in pages of insults etc......

Ok , how about the Creedmoor is overblown fanboy P.O.S. the darling of the skinny jean , flat brim hat beta males.......

Real men shoot 338's & 375's no such thing as over kill.... ha

All of the short action cartridges that are not varmint calibers and many of the standard long action non magnum calibers. For a niche caliber the 6.5CM sure fills a big gap.

Yup!

Again.. go into an everyday gun shop... ask to look at the few AR’s they have... 5.56 & .308 with maybe a .300 thrown in... you guys are in your own worlds...

Interesting thread. I've not bought a 6.5cm, and I think it's a solid round. My 270, 7-08, and 308 fine for what I need. I also, like my 22-250s, but they're in a different class IMO.

What would help this thread is for someone to find lists of ammo and rifles sold, by caliber, for this current year, and then the same list for say 10 years ago.

In the sales of new guns or re-barrel jobs the 6.5 CM has made the most inroads into the 260 Remington and probably the 25-06 to some extent.
I would have thought the 243 might be effected in sales more, but it has not. Many who like the very light recoiling of a 243 have seen nothing in the 6.5s to make them want something else.

Here in the middle of Wyoming I doubt it's had ANY measurable effect on the popularity of the 7-08, 308 3-06 or 270, or any belted magnum.

I have never seen one around here. I do see a few .270 & .300 short/ fats these days. 'bout it

The only thing "hurt" in this picture are a bunch of "butt-hurt" Creed owners when other hunters and shooters choose NOT to bow down and worship at the "Altar of the Creed..."

Creedmoor is correct and I almost always spell it that way. Occasionally my fingers get ahead of my brain. Hell, I can't even spell four letter words correctly sometimes.


Not even close? I ran the numbers at 7000 feet where we hunt and came up with what I provided before:
"For starters, the 6.5 Creedmore falls short to a well loaded .270 Win. Daughter’s .270 load for a 150g ABLR beats Hornady’s 143g ELD-X for the 6.5CM by 6” drop, 150fps, 265fpe and 1/2” drift at 500.
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More importantly for our purposes, at 7000ft altitude and above, and while the 6.5 has a miniscule advantage in drift out to 300 yards (after which the .270 wins), the .270 load beats it handily in all other categories put to 1000 yards, the limit of my calculations."

While the 6.5CM is a nifty little round, It isn't the best for Daughter #1's purposes. We wanted a cartridge for her that provided a balance of features, including light recoil (around 18ft-lbs), high and velocity at close range with excellent retained velocity and energy (approx. 2000fps and 1500fpe) at ranges out to 500-600 yards using a 22" or shorter barrel using factory ammo or handloads. Drift also was a factor at extended ranges (again 500-600 yards maximum). The .270 Win does that, handily beating the 6.5 CM whether I use Nosler's Trophy Grade ABLR data, Hornady ELD-X data or our confirmed handload data (M700/.270 150gABLR and RAR/6.5CM/143 ELD-X).

The 6.5mm 160g Weldcore has a claimed B.C. of .509. The .277 150g ABLR has .591. And while the 6.5CM might win somewhere past 600 yards, such ranges are of no interest for Daughter's purposes. The 6.5CM might have an advantage in recoil but at 17.7 ft-lbs, the .270 Win is light enough. Daughter will stick with the .270, which stomps the 6.5CM at close ranges and still beats it at 600 yards.

A comparison of Hornady factory 6.5CM/143g ELD-X @2700fps (S.D. .293, B.C. .625) and .270 Win/145g ELD-X @ 2970fps (S.D. .270, B.C. .536) ammunition shows the fallacy of your claims.

At the muzzle (Hornady data):
2700fps = 6.5CM
2315fpe = 6.5CM

2970fps = .270W
2840fpe = .270W (23% greater than the 6.5CM)

At 600 yards, assuming a Point Blank Range zero for a 6” diameter target at 7000 feet (we hunt there and higher), the comparison is as follows.

6.5 Creedmoor
237yds = zero
280yds = -3” drop (PBR)
-64.5” = drop @ 600yds
2064fps @600yds
1353fpe @600yds
16.9” drift @ 600yds (0.9” better than the .270 Win)
490yds = 2173fps/1500fpe

.270 Winchester
256yds = zero
302yds = -3” drop (PBR)
-53.1” = drop @ 600yds (11.4” less than the 6.5CM)
2177fps @ 600yds
1526fpe @ 600yds (13% more than the 6.5CM)
17.8” drift @ 600yds
630yds = 2158fps/1500fpe (29% greater than the 6.5CM)

Using 2000fps and 1500fpe as the criteria (which I use as a rule of thumb for elk), the .270W has 140 yards or 29% greater range than the 6.5CM. That extra range means a hunter can cover 65% more area whether you are looking at a full circle or any angular segment. When you are sitting on a clearing or hunting elk in open sage, as we often do (and plan to do again this year), that extra range many not be necessary, or it may, but in either case it is nice to have.

If you think you are killing elk (our purpose) with B.C. or S.D., well, that's just nuts. If you are killing them with retained velocity, momentum and energy, the .270 Win provides more at ranges we are concerned about.

Just sayin’.

+1

I picked up a Ruger American in 6.5 CM a few years ago. It is a great round, easy shooting and very accurate. I've used it deer hunting. It will not replace my .300Wm for elk. Or my 30-06 for that matter. Sometimes I think bigger is better.

........ 243

Only a heavy sporter 6mm CM has been added here. Won't be any 6.5s as long as I own a 257R.

From the thread on who and who doesn't own a Creed, it doesn't look like all that many....

I think, if you had to narrow it down, this is likely the correct answer... if there is a "correct" answer.

The 6.5 Creed is the .250 Savage's revenge on the .243.


"Knock me out of my position of favor, will ya? Hmmph, okay, maybe I can't kick your butt right now but my grandson sure will..."

It’s hurt a lot of ink cartridges because nothing but bullschit has been printed about them.

Good one!

Ha! Absolutely!

+1

The 6.5cm is trans gender