My neighbor can over yesterday asking to borrow my torque wrench and boresighter to remount his older glossed VX3 3.5-10x40 on a Browning BAR.
He’d had it mounted on an old Remington 7mag for the last 20 years. Since upgrading to a VX5 scope for his 7mag, he wanted to repurpose the VX3 on his BAR....But, the scopes elevation wouldn’t track...He’d turn the turret up and the crosshairs wouldn’t move, then all of a sudden, it would start creeping up slightly, until he’d run out of elevation.
He sends the scope to Leupold and 1.5 weeks later he’s at my door asking for tools and a boresighter. I’m helping and I see the same issues happening that caused him to send the scope in for repairs...Neighbor is now ultra pissed. I just shrugged and said, “Well you got 20 good years out of it.”
He comes back tonight to tell me he called Leupold today and they said they checked his scope and it was within their specifications for accurate tracking. He asked them what exactly was that supposed to mean, being the turret gets turned but the crosshairs don’t move until he’s almost out of adjustment...The Leupold CS dude said that’s how the scope works...Neighbor is looking at me with disbelief and frustration...
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
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Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
My neighbor can over yesterday asking to borrow my torque wrench and boresighter to remount his older glossed VX3 3.5-10x40 on a Browning BAR.
He’d had it mounted on an old Remington 7mag for the last 20 years. Since upgrading to a VX5 scope for his 7mag, he wanted to repurpose the VX3 on his BAR....But, the scopes elevation wouldn’t track...He’d turn the turret up and the crosshairs wouldn’t move, then all of a sudden, it would start creeping up slightly, until he’d run out of elevation.
He sends the scope to Leupold and 1.5 weeks later he’s at my door asking for tools and a boresighter. I’m helping and I see the same issues happening that caused him to send the scope in for repairs...Neighbor is now ultra pissed. I just shrugged and said, “Well you got 20 good years out of it.”
He comes back tonight to tell me he called Leupold today and they said they checked his scope and it was within their specifications for accurate tracking. He asked them what exactly was that supposed to mean, being the turret gets turned but the cross don’t move until he’s almost out of adjustment...The Leupold CS dude said that’s how the scope works...Neighbor is looking at me with disbelief and frustration...
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
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Oh, that is fu cking funny. I was at the range last friday and 2 Leupold employees were up there shooting. One was testing out a new heavy barreled Savage. He had a nice Leupold VX5 sitting on top. It wouldn't track for chit either. I almost said something, but was nice and kept my comments to myself. Before the guy even shot the rifle, I said that rifle should be a tackdriver. He commented on it being new. I watched as he shot 5 shots into a 3" group. He said, "this ammo is chit"!! He then tried some different ammo and it printed 9" low and 4 inches to the left from the first group. He fired off 3 shots and it looked to be about a 5" group. That kind of inaccuracy was not all attributed to the rifle. The Leupold employee didn't know how to shoot said rifle and it was obvious the scope had some issues. I damned near said, hey do you want me to shoot that rifle for you to see what's going on with it..... The whole thing was quite comical.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Beaver, not sure that you understand what has happened with that scope.
Barrels, actions may tilt a barrel way off center line. Often, the barrel was drilled in such a way that the bore is off center in the barrel or exiting at an angle. Then the only option is for the scope to adjust to that mis alignment. Scopes only have so much adjustment, so you have to go to a scope that has much more adjustment.
I have had one bad leupold in 35 years, and for a production item, that is not a bad track history.
I have 30 plus Leupold scopes, I have no issues with them. I’ve had to shim a couple, because I didn’t have enough elevation. I have a couple of 99’s I needed to use the Burris offset inserts, because I didn’t have enough windage, I’m sorry your friend is having issues, I’m sure he is frustrated.
Here we go! It's pile on time! Had a Leopold mounted on a rifle that fell out of a scabbard on a horse and dented the objective bell, damn thing wouldn't track after that. Sent it in and customer service was crap, took 11 days to get it back and the jerks didn't even charge me!
My neighbor can over yesterday asking to borrow my torque wrench and boresighter to remount his older glossed VX3 3.5-10x40 on a Browning BAR.
He’d had it mounted on an old Remington 7mag for the last 20 years. Since upgrading to a VX5 scope for his 7mag, he wanted to repurpose the VX3 on his BAR....But, the scopes elevation wouldn’t track...He’d turn the turret up and the crosshairs wouldn’t move, then all of a sudden, it would start creeping up slightly, until he’d run out of elevation.
He sends the scope to Leupold and 1.5 weeks later he’s at my door asking for tools and a boresighter. I’m helping and I see the same issues happening that caused him to send the scope in for repairs...Neighbor is now ultra pissed. I just shrugged and said, “Well you got 20 good years out of it.”
He comes back tonight to tell me he called Leupold today and they said they checked his scope and it was within their specifications for accurate tracking. He asked them what exactly was that supposed to mean, being the turret gets turned but the crosshairs don’t move until he’s almost out of adjustment...The Leupold CS dude said that’s how the scope works...Neighbor is looking at me with disbelief and frustration...
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
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Well based on my own experience with Leupold over a period of many years, i have a problem with the story. For example, about 6 years ago i bought a gun from a friend I didn’t want or need. But it had a nice old 3.5x10 Leupold on it which i did want. I already had 2 others on other guns, but had a need for another. I didn’t like the reticle however and sent it to Leupold for a reticle change for which they wanted $90. A couple weeks later i received a card asking me to call them about my scope, and gave me the work order #. When i did, the tech told me that they had discovered a problem in the scope when they checked it out. And due to the age of the scope they no longer had the needed part to fix it. So they offered to replace the scope with a new one of the Same description as the old one. But if i wanted the reticle change i would still have to pay the difference. So i ended up with a brand new 3.5x10 VX3 for 90 bucks replacing the one that was about 30 years old. As for the dialing issues, we do lots of that in our PA long range only camp. And there has never been a single issue with any of the Leupold scopes with regard to that issue.
So the elevation adjustment was either sticking or the spring is worn out/broken. Not working acceptably for sure and not acceptable customer service either.
Your neighbor might try running the adjustments on the scope up and down, back and forth, 25 times from end-to-end. Sometimes this is all it takes to redistribute the grease and loosen the spring so that it works well again for another decade. If the spring is somehow broken or truly worn out, then it won't help any. But it is a free fix that seems to limber up about half of the Leupolds I've tried it on.
Since you can’t post pics of your hunting endeavors - Maybe you can share your secrets on which dress and purse combo you’re planning on wearing in the field this year for the TN deer opener?
Show us something, anything, you know how to operate, aside from your boyfriends ass. 😂🖕🏿🖕🏾🖕🏼😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Don't forget to tap on it with a rock after you turn the dial..... rookies sheesh
Brother, I was more surprised at what the Loopy CS rep said to my neighbor about the scope being within “their” spec.
Holly Shît! That ain’t a spec...That’s just calling turrets that don’t incrementally move the new normal. 😎
I understand brother Beav.... seems Leupold lives in a fantasy world...... but the fanboys never disappoint. I got into dialing Leupold's back in the day when Big Stick had a you tube video playing fetch with his young son tossing a Leupold 3,5-10 and claiming how tuff they are, well I fell for it and it cost me.
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
It’s all part of the fun if you’re into guns, optics and reloading. I’m losing patience having to climb over rifles to get at the ones I want in the safes...Must sell guns...😬😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Well damn! I should have noticed the barrel looked more like a dogs hind leg than a barrel...Laffin.
And that those stupid turrets are only made for appearance purposes and aren’t really supposed to move or adjust a reticle...Laffin at you more.
1.5 MOA of adjustment producing 1/2 MOA of reticle movement is good for you guys? I guess. SMFH 😎
Obviously its good enough for some. The fan boys just dont twist turrets or care about it holding zero. They just blame it on the rifle or the stock warped or some other horse chidt.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Well damn! I should have noticed the barrel looked more like a dogs hind leg than a barrel...Laffin.
And that those stupid turrets are only made for appearance purposes and aren’t really supposed to move or adjust a reticle...Laffin at you more.
1.5 MOA of adjustment producing 1/2 MOA of reticle movement is good for you guys? I guess. SMFH 😎
Obviously its good enough for some. The fan boys just dont twist turrets or care about it holding zero. They just blame it on the rifle or the stock warped or some other horse chidt.
I'm gonna live dangerously, yet again.... I hear they "work" for me, because I don't shoot alot.....😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I'll pack several extras,lots of ammo, several Talley light weights, extra bolt handles and a Lincoln wirefeed!!!! This shiit is really serious!!!😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
It's funny, it was Leopold or bust for now many years?? Then the wheels really tell off!!! Some say the old ones are good, the new ones are [bleep], some say the new ones are great, some not.... Very confusing....😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
It's a crap shoot. Takes about 5 or 6 to get a good one.... new old doesn't seem to matter. I own more Leupolds than any other brand. I do not trust them though.
Just the last month I have had a super sniper 6x , Burris Veracity, Athlon Midas Tac , Vortex razor go bad......
Maybe it's time to try Nighforce?
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
It’s all part of the fun if you’re into guns, optics and reloading. I’m losing patience having to climb over rifles to get at the ones I want in the safes...Must sell guns...😬😎
Build a vault. i.e. a gun safe big enough your guns, a couch, two leather arm chairs, and a minibar.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
It’s all part of the fun if you’re into guns, optics and reloading. I’m losing patience having to climb over rifles to get at the ones I want in the safes...Must sell guns...😬😎
Build a vault. i.e. a gun safe big enough your guns, a couch, two leather arm chairs, and a minibar.
Perfect.... and make it bomb proof... a bunker....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
It’s all part of the fun if you’re into guns, optics and reloading. I’m losing patience having to climb over rifles to get at the ones I want in the safes...Must sell guns...😬😎
Build a vault. i.e. a gun safe big enough your guns, a couch, two leather arm chairs, and a minibar.
Perfect.... and make it bomb proof... a bunker....
You preppers just can't relax unless the walls are lined with canned green beans.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
It’s all part of the fun if you’re into guns, optics and reloading. I’m losing patience having to climb over rifles to get at the ones I want in the safes...Must sell guns...😬😎
Build a vault. i.e. a gun safe big enough your guns, a couch, two leather arm chairs, and a minibar.
Perfect.... and make it bomb proof... a bunker....
You preppers just can't relax unless the walls are lined with canned green beans.
Rookie.... 5 gal pails beans and rice... stops a 50 cal
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Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
all my Leupolds have worked fine on my hunting rifles,but i do like Nightforce on my bench rifles, a close friend has been using Leupold bench scopes on his bench rifles this year and has done very well with Leupold scopes in competition.we don`t use guns we shoot RIFLES AT THE RIFLE RANGE !
I just sent a VX3i back to Leupold today due to tracking issues. My experience is very similar to Beaver 10's neighbors issue. Tracks good up and down, left to right is crap.
Here is a 10 second 2012 video of me showing how my 2004 Leupold Mark IV tracks while looking at a Leupold zero point. I have positioned the camera with an x-y rack and pinion from a large microscope. The exit pupil is large enough for the eye or a camera, but when the scope is vertical or horizontal are adjusted, the image moves. The human head with move with it to follow the image, but this camera does not.... so I can only adjust the scope a few moa and keep an image going to the camera.
I have over 50 Leupolds with few complaints.
I have 1 zeiss and complaints... I should write up the phone call I had with THEM last week. I have 1 nightforce nxs and a complaint I have 5 IORs and complaints I have 1 USO and complaints I have 1 Schmidt and Bender and a complaint I have 3 SWFA and complaints I have 1 B&L and complaints I have X Burris' and complaints I have X Bushnell and complaints I have 3 Sightrons and complaints I have X Weavers and complaints I have 1 Swarovski and a complaint I have x Nikons and complaints I have x Vortex and complaints The Lyman and Unertl scopes are so old, I should not complain
Scopes that are mounted with the tube so far from parallel with the bore, that the scope cannot be sighted in..... is not the scope's fault.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
They all fail, wonder what the real number of nightforce/leupold, leupold/swfa, 1000-1, maybe higher?? Run whatcha brung...
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
My neighbor can over yesterday asking to borrow my torque wrench and boresighter to remount his older glossed VX3 3.5-10x40 on a Browning BAR.
He’d had it mounted on an old Remington 7mag for the last 20 years. Since upgrading to a VX5 scope for his 7mag, he wanted to repurpose the VX3 on his BAR....But, the scopes elevation wouldn’t track...He’d turn the turret up and the crosshairs wouldn’t move, then all of a sudden, it would start creeping up slightly, until he’d run out of elevation.
He sends the scope to Leupold and 1.5 weeks later he’s at my door asking for tools and a boresighter. I’m helping and I see the same issues happening that caused him to send the scope in for repairs...Neighbor is now ultra pissed. I just shrugged and said, “Well you got 20 good years out of it.”
He comes back tonight to tell me he called Leupold today and they said they checked his scope and it was within their specifications for accurate tracking. He asked them what exactly was that supposed to mean, being the turret gets turned but the crosshairs don’t move until he’s almost out of adjustment...The Leupold CS dude said that’s how the scope works...Neighbor is looking at me with disbelief and frustration...
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
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Did you try pressing on the turret until your thumbnail turned white? That is the test they use at the service department.
The first great thing is to find yourself and for that you need solitude and contemplation. I can tell you deliverance will not come from the rushing noisy centers of civilization. It will come from the lonely places. Fridtjof Nansen
A friend of mine thought he was having trouble with his rifle. They took the scope cap off and pushed on the dial and it was moving around. This was an OLD Vari X II 3-9 and he sent it back to Leupold. They said they couldn't fix it and sent him a NIB VX-3i 3.5-10. He's a happy camper.
I'll stick with Leupold.
NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain
Could the rings have been tightened down too much??? Wouldn't be the first time someone overtightened rings and blamed the scope for it. It functioning properly.
Could the rings have been tightened down too much??? Wouldn't be the first time someone overtightened rings and blamed the scope for it. It functioning properly.
22 ft pounds....Maybe it was the scope. Just the scope and nothing more than the scope. Rally around that idea. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
They all fail, wonder what the real number of nightforce/leupold, leupold/swfa, 1000-1, maybe higher?? Run whatcha brung...
Everything has a failure rate. However, the difference between a Leupold- any Leupold, and a Nightforce- any Nightforce is worlds apart. That is not a guess. It is not based on seeing a couple of scopes. It is not based on what scope I like. It is not based on opinion. It is based on hundreds of scopes from each being measured and used. In an average year I will directly see 40-50 Leupolds shot and tested. Well over half will have total failures. In that same year I will see twice as many Nightforces and the failure rate has been 0% for the last decade.
The sniper weapon system optic with highest failure in modern (post 70’s) US military history is the 3.5-10x40 M3LR with near 25% failure rate. The scope with lowest failure rate in US mil issuance history is the Nightforce 3.5-15x50 NXS F1 at less than 1%. Those “failure” rates are from SWS’s being turned in for repair.
Could the rings have been tightened down too much??? Wouldn't be the first time someone overtightened rings and blamed the scope for it. It functioning properly.
22 ft pounds....Maybe it was the scope. Just the scope and nothing more than the scope. Rally around that idea. 😎
I'm no Leupold fan, but that could be a contributing factor!
You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...
Could the rings have been tightened down too much??? Wouldn't be the first time someone overtightened rings and blamed the scope for it. It functioning properly.
22 ft pounds....Maybe it was the scope. Just the scope and nothing more than the scope. Rally around that idea. 😎
I'm no Leupold fan, but that could be a contributing factor!
Rings were steel PRW’s, screws could still be “easily” turned with small Allen Wrench by hand tighter. Neighbor thought farmer tight would be preferred, not on these rings... After some Googlefu found a Leupold spec for PRW’s at 22lbs. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Could the rings have been tightened down too much??? Wouldn't be the first time someone overtightened rings and blamed the scope for it. It functioning properly.
22 ft pounds....Maybe it was the scope. Just the scope and nothing more than the scope. Rally around that idea. 😎
I'm no Leupold fan, but that could be a contributing factor!
Rings were steel PRW’s, screws could still be “easily” turned with small Allen Wrench by hand tighter. Neighbor thought farmer tight would be preferred, not on these rings... After some Googlefu found a Leupold spec for PRW’s at 22lbs. 😎
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You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...
Could the rings have been tightened down too much??? Wouldn't be the first time someone overtightened rings and blamed the scope for it. It functioning properly.
22 ft pounds....Maybe it was the scope. Just the scope and nothing more than the scope. Rally around that idea. 😎
I'm no Leupold fan, but that could be a contributing factor!
Rings were steel PRW’s, screws could still be “easily” turned with small Allen Wrench by hand tighter. Neighbor thought farmer tight would be preferred, not on these rings... After some Googlefu found a Leupold spec for PRW’s at 22lbs. 😎
22 inch ounds of fûck’n torque...You better now? Good! 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Was a joke, dude. See the little smiley? If you don't find the comedy in the the ft/in thing, while you were making an argument against over-torquing you either have a dull sense of humor or are just one of those azzholes that can't be wrong... Or...you might try vagisil...
You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...
I will keep my story of my 6x swfa failure to myself.. and it was mounted on AR15..
Was the barrel bent? Receiver too tall? Boresighter broken? Stock oversized?
SWFA’s fail, all scopes can fail...Hilarious to read these donkeys protecting their Leupolds like baby chicks. Shît breaks sometimes, especially if you do more than just look at your scopes and say “Oh, my, she’s so pretty”. LMAO 😂😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
I ever tell you all the story what scope I used on my sheep rifle last yr? It was a vortex diamondback 3-9x40.. a yr later it still holds zero.. according to the 24 hour brain trust that's a ph ucking miracle..
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
My swfa 6x failed because I didn't use a steel tape at 73 deg Fahrenheit to measure the 100yds..... oh wait that had nothing to do with it, that was a Leupold.....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
I will keep my story of my 6x swfa failure to myself.. and it was mounted on AR15..
Was the barrel bent? Receiver too tall? Boresighter broken? Stock oversized?
SWFA’s fail, all scopes can fail...Hilarious to read these donkeys protecting their Leupolds like baby chicks. Shît breaks sometimes, especially if you do more than just look at your scopes and say “Oh, my, she’s so pretty”. LMAO 😂😎
How's the Chevy big block rebuild coming along, can I use your torque wrench to torque my scope rings lol...
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Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
Was a joke, dude. See the little smiley? If you don't find the comedy in the the ft/in thing, while you were making an argument against over-torquing you either have a dull sense of humor or are just one of those azzholes that can't be wrong... Or...you might try vagisil...
Your 😂 face was on your first post...Didn’t see a second one, only your skill at bold fonts...I have a great sense of humor, especially kicking defenders of stupid in the clam when their fear of a beloved scope is being attacked.
Things break...It was the manner in how Leupold CS handled the call saying the returned scope was within their spec. And, telling my neighbor NF makes a good scope.
Vagisil has many uses...Especially loosening a key stuck on bold font for someone 😬🤣😎😜
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
I will keep my story of my 6x swfa failure to myself.. and it was mounted on AR15..
Was the barrel bent? Receiver too tall? Boresighter broken? Stock oversized?
SWFA’s fail, all scopes can fail...Hilarious to read these donkeys protecting their Leupolds like baby chicks. Shît breaks sometimes, especially if you do more than just look at your scopes and say “Oh, my, she’s so pretty”. LMAO 😂😎
How's the Chevy big block rebuild coming along, can I use your torque wrench to torque my scope rings lol...
Got it pulled out ok...Just trying to find a solid mounting system to get it onto my 6.5 PRC. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
I will keep my story of my 6x swfa failure to myself.. and it was mounted on AR15..
Your lying!!!! Just like the pages of nightforce failures!!! Laffin
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Gotta love it, a leupold integrity thread turns into a shooting comp!! 😂 btw, I think I might bring my one and only nightforce!! 🤭
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
If you like leupold, you either, don’t shoot enough, are a road hunter, don’t hunt very hard, or are a liar!!!! Then the shootout competition comes up!! TFF
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
If you like Leupold, it serves your needs, plain and simple. If it didn't you wouldnt like them. I don't think you'll find one objective person in the long range shooting crowd, the PRS crowd, the tactical crowd, (the guys that shoot and dial) that will claim Leupold is on par with NF and SWFA in terms of tracking and reliability. I don't even think that subject is up for debate anymore, that ship has sailed. But on the other hand Leupold serves the needs of many, no denying that.
What I think is a tragedy is that we lost the Campfire Exclusive Leupold Presentation to give us comfort. They should have left that master piece up for all to see. I'm sorry but after that debacle I can't even take them serious anymore. Doug, did you ever get any feedback from Leupold (I know the answer but had to ask).
Everything has a failure rate. However, the difference between a Leupold- any Leupold, and a Nightforce- any Nightforce is worlds apart. That is not a guess. It is not based on seeing a couple of scopes. It is not based on what scope I like. It is not based on opinion. It is based on hundreds of scopes from each being measured and used. In an average year I will directly see 40-50 Leupolds shot and tested. Well over half will have total failures. In that same year I will see twice as many Nightforces and the failure rate has been 0% for the last decade.
The sniper weapon system optic with highest failure in modern (post 70’s) US military history is the 3.5-10x40 M3LR with near 25% failure rate. The scope with lowest failure rate in US mil issuance history is the Nightforce 3.5-15x50 NXS F1 at less than 1%. Those “failure” rates are from SWS’s being turned in for repair.
thanks for the actual factual info, it is appreciated
If you like Leupold, it serves your needs, plain and simple. If it didn't you wouldnt like them. I don't think you'll find one objective person in the long range shooting crowd, the PRS crowd, the tactical crowd, (the guys that shoot and dial) that will claim Leupold is on par with NF and SWFA in terms of tracking and reliability. I don't even think that subject is up for debate anymore, that ship has sailed. But on the other hand Leupold serves the needs of many, no denying that.
What I think is a tragedy is that we lost the Campfire Exclusive Leupold Presentation to give us comfort. They should have left that master piece up for all to see. I'm sorry but after that debacle I can't even take them serious anymore. Doug, did you ever get any feedback from Leupold (I know the answer but had to ask).
There’s NO WAY a Leupold scope could serve anyone’s needs. Someone on the internet said so. Laughing
I ever tell you all the story what scope I used on my sheep rifle last yr? It was a vortex diamondback 3-9x40.. a yr later it still holds zero.. according to the 24 hour brain trust that's a ph ucking miracle..
Don't waste your time and money on a lottery ticket, your luck is already used up.
I GAVE a guy a vx3 and he sent it back. Can’t give the [bleep] things away. I have three left out of what was once over 30. A pistol x4 power and an old vxII 4-12x40. And a VX3 that will be for sale cheap. They will have to get their [bleep] straight before I buy anything they are peddling.
What I think is a tragedy is that we lost the Campfire Exclusive Leupold Presentation to give us comfort. They should have left that master piece up for all to see. I'm sorry but after that debacle I can't even take them serious anymore. Doug, did you ever get any feedback from Leupold (I know the answer but had to ask).
I was never able to see that, is there any other way to watch it? Anyone have it saved?
What I think is a tragedy is that we lost the Campfire Exclusive Leupold Presentation to give us comfort. They should have left that master piece up for all to see. I'm sorry but after that debacle I can't even take them serious anymore. Doug, did you ever get any feedback from Leupold (I know the answer but had to ask).
I was never able to see that, is there any other way to watch it? Anyone have it saved?
I don't think it was saved, but honestly, you didn't miss much and your head would hurt more if you could watch it..
If you like leupold, you either, don’t shoot enough, are a road hunter, don’t hunt very hard, or are a liar!!!! Then the shootout competition comes up!! TFF
Judman, you're a stud!!! Just surprised you don't just use a Bowie knife!
Thank you!! And yes I have, fun shiit, though not for everyone. Hank has one of these in the works for me, a Bowie replica, I’ll be real studly in Kauai come February,...
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I’ll have him engrave “leupold “ on the blade... 🤭
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Yep I’m bringing the nightforce, sure as shiit I bring a leupold I’ll get my first failure, and I’ll never hear the end of it!!! 😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Jud, I'd do better in a shoot off than a tussle with your big ass.
Yeah, I posted before that rasslin' with Jud would be like attacking a feral hog. Nothing to grab onto.....thick legs, thicker upstairs.....gristle looking head......low center of gravity.....no fear.........good luck with that. I would have loved to see him knock the taste out of SH's or Stick;s mouth though.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Jud, I'd do better in a shoot off than a tussle with your big ass.
Yeah, I posted before that rasslin' with Jud would be like attacking a feral hog. Nothing to grab onto.....thick legs, thicker upstairs.....gristle looking head......low center of gravity.....no fear.........good luck with that. I would have loved to see him knock the taste out of SH's or Stick;s mouth though.
LMAO 😂🤣 Exactly!
He’d throw you around for fun like a grizzly..Hammer on a guy for a bit, then stop...dude tries to get up and Jud starts the beating process all over again, like a bear will do. Spray don’t work on Jud either...Hint. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
What I think is a tragedy is that we lost the Campfire Exclusive Leupold Presentation to give us comfort. They should have left that master piece up for all to see. I'm sorry but after that debacle I can't even take them serious anymore. Doug, did you ever get any feedback from Leupold (I know the answer but had to ask).
I was never able to see that, is there any other way to watch it? Anyone have it saved?
I don't think it was saved, but honestly, you didn't miss much and your head would hurt more if you could watch it..
Yeah. There really wasn’t much useful info in there. It was a cookie cutter presentation even though a touch of personalized campfire edition. Lol
They did throw out some failure rates , but that had to be a mistake as they were so low. That or the ‘specs’ are chit. The latter may be true given the common issues.
Was a joke, dude. See the little smiley? If you don't find the comedy in the the ft/in thing, while you were making an argument against over-torquing you either have a dull sense of humor or are just one of those azzholes that can't be wrong... Or...you might try vagisil...
Your 😂 face was on your first post...Didn’t see a second one, only your skill at bold fonts...I have a great sense of humor, especially kicking defenders of stupid in the clam when their fear of a beloved scope is being attacked.
Things break...It was the manner in how Leupold CS handled the call saying the returned scope was within their spec. And, telling my neighbor NF makes a good scope.
Vagisil has many uses...Especially loosening a key stuck on bold font for someone 😬🤣😎😜
Thanks for clearing clearing this up: You're "just one of those azzholes that can't be wrong..."
Even when you are.
You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...
Jud, I'd do better in a shoot off than a tussle with your big ass.
Yeah, I posted before that rasslin' with Jud would be like attacking a feral hog. Nothing to grab onto.....thick legs, thicker upstairs.....gristle looking head......low center of gravity.....no fear.........good luck with that. I would have loved to see him knock the taste out of SH's or Stick;s mouth though.
Jud ain’t mean You just gotta rub his belly and he will go to sleep. If you want a kill shot make him a warm glass of milk. 😂🤣🤣😂🤜🏻 100% on the [bleep] head [bleep] head show.
I’ve used Leupold scopes for 50 years and only had one fail.
The other one works just fine.......
I have collected 50 Leupolds over the last 25 years and had one fail. I milled out a slim scope rail from an AR15 riser. It cantilevered back over a Mosin Nagant receiver. The recoil made the scope shake up and down like a diving board. It shook the reticle loose and it fell down. Leupold sent me a new scope. The failed scope was a Vari-x-ii 2x7 and they sent me a new VX-I 2x7. I put an aftermarket elevation turret on that new scope and shot 5 deer in 2008.
My father was a gun designer for military contracts. The sight adjustments he designed were split gear, so there was no backlash. There is nothing like that in a sporting rifle scope turret. I have seen enough backlash is my lathe, mill, and Grover guitar tuners that I soon find if I want approach and adjustment clockwise or counterclockwise to be loading the spring. As seen in my above video, I cannot find backlash with the Leupold turrets. With the Leupold Zero point I can probably resolve 1/4 ~1/2 moa. With a simple screw and a spring in consumer scopes, there must be some backlash, I just can't see it.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
Jud, I'd do better in a shoot off than a tussle with your big ass.
Yeah, I posted before that rasslin' with Jud would be like attacking a feral hog. Nothing to grab onto.....thick legs, thicker upstairs.....gristle looking head......low center of gravity.....no fear.........good luck with that. I would have loved to see him knock the taste out of SH's or Stick;s mouth though.
Jud ain’t mean You just gotta rub his belly and he will go to sleep. If you want a kill shot make him a warm glass of milk. 😂🤣🤣😂🤜🏻 100% on the [bleep] head [bleep] head show.
Rub my peter I’ll be real nice!! 😆
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Kids these days are so retarded, they can't even figure out how to use, mount, troubleshoot an optic sight. Sad state of affairs, truly. Especially, given the blaming that gets tossed around when the PERSON fails.
Funny...my father and step-father between the two of them have owned many dozens of Leupolds. I now possess some of those. A few are nearly as old as I am. They've been on some heavy kickers, including a 12 gauge slug gun, a 300 RUM, a 375 H&H, various 7 Mags. Strangely, no problems. Ever. Hmmm.
Yep, things break. But if your stuff "breaks" all the time, it's likely you. Just that simple.
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
I’ve used Leupold scopes for 50 years and only had one fail.
The other one works just fine.......
I have collected 50 Leupolds over the last 25 years and had one fail. I milled out a slim scope rail from an AR15 riser. It cantilevered back over a Mosin Nagant receiver. The recoil made the scope shake up and down like a diving board. It shook the reticle loose and it fell down. Leupold sent me a new scope. The failed scope was a Vari-x-ii 2x7 and they sent me a new VX-I 2x7. I put an aftermarket elevation turret on that new scope and shot 5 deer in 2008.
My father was a gun designer for military contracts. The sight adjustments he designed were split gear, so there was no backlash. There is nothing like that in a sporting rifle scope turret. I have seen enough backlash is my lathe, mill, and Grover guitar tuners that I soon find if I want approach and adjustment clockwise or counterclockwise to be loading the spring. As seen in my above video, I cannot find backlash with the Leupold turrets. With the Leupold Zero point I can probably resolve 1/4 ~1/2 moa. With a simple screw and a spring in consumer scopes, there must be some backlash, I just can't see it.
It was a joke, Clark!
Come on fellas. It ain’t that early. Lol.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
Haha wow!!!🤣🤣
Put me in that class Clark, about all I run is leupold!! I don’t shoot much, don’t hunt hard and am a liar!! But I kill more [bleep] than most that biitch about em!!! Hint kid!! Haha
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
Go through the whole thread and reread ya donkey!! Fuuck...
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
You’re a [bleep]’n retard....Jud was in your camp dumb-dumb.
Learning anything from a douche who’s reading comprehension suffers as much as yours makes you forgettable...😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
Go through the whole thread and reread ya donkey!! Fuuck...
LMFAO 😂🤣😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
You’re a [bleep]’n retard....Jud was in your camp dumb-dumb.
Learning anything from a douche who’s reading comprehension suffers as much as yours makes you forgettable...😎
Originally Posted by Judman
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Judman
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
Go through the whole thread and reread ya donkey!! Fuuck...
When I want to hear retards holler while throwing feces, I give you guys a call. Until then...you gotta realize that the rest of us think you are first-class morons and ass holes. Don't let me get in the way of you "doing you".
Jesus Christ mark, no reading comprehension and the donkey flies off the handle!!! 🤣🤣
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
You’re a [bleep]’n retard....Jud was in your camp dumb-dumb.
Learning anything from a douche who’s reading comprehension suffers as much as yours makes you forgettable...😎
Originally Posted by Judman
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Judman
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
Go through the whole thread and reread ya donkey!! Fuuck...
When I want to hear retards holler while throwing feces, I give you guys a call. Until then...you gotta realize that the rest of us think you are first-class morons and ass holes. Don't let me get in the way of you "doing you".
Why huntnshoot.... we cross??? Haha
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
You’re a [bleep]’n retard....Jud was in your camp dumb-dumb.
Learning anything from a douche who’s reading comprehension suffers as much as yours makes you forgettable...😎
Originally Posted by Judman
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Judman
As I said, you don’t shoot, don’t hunt hard, road hunt or are a liar!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As I say, you're just a blowhard and an ass hole.
The truth hurts, huh, so you gotta call others liars when they just do things better than you. The other choice is to STFU and listen when your betters speak. Kid.
Go through the whole thread and reread ya donkey!! Fuuck...
When I want to hear retards holler while throwing feces, I give you guys a call. Until then...you gotta realize that the rest of us think you are first-class morons and ass holes. Don't let me get in the way of you "doing you".
When’s the last time you dialed a turret and killed anything princess?
These Leupold threads are making us better people.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^
😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
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I'm having a really hard time believing this...................
If it is a fact, he needs to be fired....
Last edited by Judman; 09/22/19.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
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I'm having a really hard time believing this...................
You have a hard time believing lots of things that you’ve never done or seen, but I have...And, that’s okay with me.
My neighbor hasn’t showed himself to me as a liar in the past. He’s also not a scope enthusiast and asked me if I’d ever heard of NF.
Casey, thanks for stopping by...Catch up with you soon on the Elk Hunting Sub-Forum after bull season where you will undoubtedly be wearing your Superman Cape to impress yourself. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
😎
I'm having a really hard time believing this...................
If it is a fact, he needs to be fired....
Why? I’ve been asked by several customers who else is a good painting company, if I couldn't’ meet their time frame to have their house painted...😎
It’s not time frame, it’s loyalty.. the simple fact of the matter leupold has made more meat than nightforce swfa, and March put together, by 100x guaranteed
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Word is the goat gang has landed, but are out checking zero on the Leupolds. You see, after three calls to CS, nobody could say if the optic’s were designed to endure Frud’s driving. I’ve been assured a detailed RTZ and tracking report is forthcoming.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
I asked what he said to the guy after that answer. He said I asked who makes a good scope? The Leupold dude said Nightforce. LMFAO!
😎
I'm having a really hard time believing this...................
If it is a fact, he needs to be fired....
Why? I’ve been asked by several customers who else is a good painting company, if I couldn't’ meet their time frame to have their house painted...😎
It’s not time frame, it’s loyalty.. the simple fact of the matter leupold has made more meat than nightforce swfa, and March put together, by 100x guaranteed
Not news or surprising to me Jud and have said the same many times before...You can make that point for someone else brother, not me. 😉😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Just got home from a short road trip... opened this thread and it brought a tear to my eye.... the old campfire is back and enjoyable again...
Epic road trip.... name callin , poo flingin..... love it
Nice if they survive Fruds drivin and kill a few dinks the goat fhuuk will be complete.... carry on men....
Brother Fubar,
Everyone, with a few exceptions, are being very mean to Beav...I’ve been practicing shedding tears with my lower lip quivering at the same time to accommodate them. Glad you are home and safe from your trip.
😢😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
My travels were safe and fruitful, I acquired a new mobile command center/ bunker..... aka camper....
The campfire can be a cold unforgiving place..... I have no doubt you can withstand the onslaught from the do nothing gang... hahaha Jealously and envy is an ugly thing....
Stay strong and focus on killin goats and surviving Frud & crew....... no guts no glory brother.....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Hey Beav, no offense bro, but are you gonna play grabasss all week or are you gonna go kill something?
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Hey Beav, no offense bro, but are you gonna play grabasss all week or are you gonna go kill something?
Johnny, I tried hard to find a loophole in Wyoming Regs that would allow us to light our barrels by now....Alas, Tuesday morning at 6:45AM the fires will be lit, critters will fall, and pictures of every dink I shoot will be posted in pixels that Stick will bitch about.
Until then, I can only grab a handful on my ass and pray for a big, slow, blind Antelope to walk within 50 yards of me.
More to come pard...Beav 😂 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”