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Folks in the ancient rural sector middle East believed in an Asherah wife of God,

but reformist monotheistic city folk had an agenda to go about changing their way of thinking and believing.

restructuring mythology / manipulating minds.. to suite ones own power play interests.

Hmmm... where and how many times have we seen that before?


Vikings/Norse were happy raiding, trading and slaying [as pagans], but one tyrannical norse king felt they needed
to be united under one king and also Christianity....to his immense personal benefit of course, while still ruling
as a ruthless tyrant... wink


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That's just one of the contradictions. Another being that Yahweh was a god of war, then a God of Love.



Not so. No contradiction here at all.

A man who loved his family.... provided for them, taught them and nurtured them could be seen as a man of love.

That same man could act and be seen as a man of war if someone was harming his family. So, he is both a man of love and a man of war.

Simple, yet you cannot see that in a God context.



All humans are supposed to be 'Gods children' - human parents do not kill their wayward children unless they themselves are killers. Plus you ignore verses which say God is good to all; ''But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you''

You can't have it both ways. Cherry picking does not resolve the contraction.


You are showing your ignorance of God's Word and using a mistake often used. God's Word tells us there are children of God and children of Satan.



That's a Christian belief. Judaism has a different view of Satan. Plus we are told that God creates some people specifically for destruction. God, as the story goes, is responsible for everything, including evil. Luckily, its just an ancient middle eastern creation myth.

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in Job, Satan encourages or talks God into allowing him to inflict calamities on the man, ..and God agrees.

christians see Satan more as an autonomous force opposed to God , rather than an agent subordinate to Gods will.


Unlike rabbinic jews , kabbalistic Jews like christians really go for the Satan thing and offer a rich and detailed
portal of evil, demons ,spirits, etc.

Satan is the symbolic personification of mans resistance or barrier in submitting to divine will.


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How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Do angels exist?

Do pins exist?

Is it contradictory because dancing is lewd and sinful?

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That's just one of the contradictions. Another being that Yahweh was a god of war, then a God of Love.


God must be married.


He was married. Her name was Asherah.



Beneath you.


Nope.

Here's a short 5 minute primer on the subject giving both points of view:





Grasping at straws? The key phrase in this is “Canaanite cult.” Same kind of nonsense about SM posting about “pantera” as the father of Jesus.

But.... as I have said many time before, you can choose to believe it.

Bible says something like this....paraphrase: “...... they choose to believe the lie.....”

Many do.


The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”

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The bible clearly states that God creates evil.

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Well,.....let's see. If time began as a consequence of the big bang,...it would seem to me that the age of the universe depends on where one might be in the universe. At the outer edge of the expansion it's somewhere around 1/10th of a second old. Outside of the edge of the expansion, it hasn't happened yet.


There is no "outer edge" or "outside" of the universe. Everything is inside it.


Upon what do you base this opinion? It sure does not come from science. Science is the result of observation.


It's part of the Big Bang Theory and was observed by Penzias in 1964. He won the Nobel Prize for that.

So it "comes from science."



This is absolutely ridiculous. It contradicts Hubble's redshifts. In the 1920's his discovery showed the Milky Way is in the center of the universe. This was again observed in the 1970's and again in the 1990's. If there is a center there is an edge to this expanding universe.


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Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Ringman
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Originally Posted by TF49
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That's just one of the contradictions. Another being that Yahweh was a god of war, then a God of Love.



Not so. No contradiction here at all.

A man who loved his family.... provided for them, taught them and nurtured them could be seen as a man of love.

That same man could act and be seen as a man of war if someone was harming his family. So, he is both a man of love and a man of war.

Simple, yet you cannot see that in a God context.



All humans are supposed to be 'Gods children' - human parents do not kill their wayward children unless they themselves are killers. Plus you ignore verses which say God is good to all; ''But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you''

You can't have it both ways. Cherry picking does not resolve the contraction.


You are showing your ignorance of God's Word and using a mistake often used. God's Word tells us there are children of God and children of Satan.



That's a Christian belief. Judaism has a different view of Satan. Plus we are told that God creates some people specifically for destruction. God, as the story goes, is responsible for everything, including evil. Luckily, its just an ancient middle eastern creation myth.



You are hoping.


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Originally Posted by DBT
The bible clearly states that God creates evil.


We agree on something!


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Not surprising, you're both wrong as has been demonstrated.

And there is no center of the universe. Galaxies are all moving away from each other (Hubble expansion) so wherever you are is the center of the universe, everything is moving away from that point. So if everywhere is the center there can be no center.

Ever blow soap bubbles as a kid? Imagine a bug can be on the bubble without breaking the bubble. As the bug runs along the bubble as you're blowing the bubble bigger when does he reach an edge? No matter how fast he runs.


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Originally Posted by Ringman
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That's just one of the contradictions. Another being that Yahweh was a god of war, then a God of Love.



Not so. No contradiction here at all.

A man who loved his family.... provided for them, taught them and nurtured them could be seen as a man of love.

That same man could act and be seen as a man of war if someone was harming his family. So, he is both a man of love and a man of war.

Simple, yet you cannot see that in a God context.



All humans are supposed to be 'Gods children' - human parents do not kill their wayward children unless they themselves are killers. Plus you ignore verses which say God is good to all; ''But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you''

You can't have it both ways. Cherry picking does not resolve the contraction.


You are showing your ignorance of God's Word and using a mistake often used. God's Word tells us there are children of God and children of Satan.



That's a Christian belief. Judaism has a different view of Satan. Plus we are told that God creates some people specifically for destruction. God, as the story goes, is responsible for everything, including evil. Luckily, its just an ancient middle eastern creation myth.



You are hoping.


Nothing to do with me or what I may or may not hope for. It is what the bible says, what Judaism teaches and what history tells us.

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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Well,.....let's see. If time began as a consequence of the big bang,...it would seem to me that the age of the universe depends on where one might be in the universe. At the outer edge of the expansion it's somewhere around 1/10th of a second old. Outside of the edge of the expansion, it hasn't happened yet.


There is no "outer edge" or "outside" of the universe. Everything is inside it.


Upon what do you base this opinion? It sure does not come from science. Science is the result of observation.


It's part of the Big Bang Theory and was observed by Penzias in 1964. He won the Nobel Prize for that.

So it "comes from science."



This is absolutely ridiculous. It contradicts Hubble's redshifts. In the 1920's his discovery showed the Milky Way is in the center of the universe. This was again observed in the 1970's and again in the 1990's. If there is a center there is an edge to this expanding universe.


NO IT DOESN'T, you moron.

Red shift is created by velocity of objects WITHIN the universe.

The 1920s observations showed that there were two possibilities (a) that we were at the center of the universe OR (b) the universe is expanding. It was shortly discovered that it was expanding.

I have no idea what you are talking about re 1970s or 1990s.

Arguing with you is like the US military arguing with New guinea natives during WWII. The natives observed planes landing at landing strips and sought to con=struct eimilar "traps" to catch the "big birds" that brought all the goodies.


Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.

Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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Not surprising, you're both wrong as has been demonstrated.

And there is no center of the universe. Galaxies are all moving away from each other (Hubble expansion) so wherever you are is the center of the universe, everything is moving away from that point. So if everywhere is the center there can be no center.

Ever blow soap bubbles as a kid? Imagine a bug can be on the bubble without breaking the bubble. As the bug runs along the bubble as you're blowing the bubble bigger when does he reach an edge? No matter how fast he runs.


You are going against observed astronomy. Ever hear of the Sloan research and Hubble's concentric spheres of galaxies? It's called quantized red shifts. Hubble said he didn't like it because it appeared display design. There are distinct groupings of galaxies in spheres around the Milky Way approximately 2,000,000 light yeas apart. With the Milky Way at the center we are like a pea inside a marble inside a ping pong ball inside a golf ball, etc, etc for 13 billion light years of spheres of galaxies. If the Milky Way was off center by even 0.0153% the spheres would blur together and we would not be able to see what Hubble discovered in the 1920's; and was verified in the 1970's and again in the 1990's. That is real science.


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Ever hear of the Sloan research and Hubble's concentric spheres of galaxies? ?

No. All this talk about spheres within spheres with Earth at the center sounds very Medieval.


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Ever hear of the Sloan research and Hubble's concentric spheres of galaxies? ?

No. All this talk about spheres within spheres with Earth at the center sounds very Medieval.


It's okay to reject science. Folks do it all the time and scientists agree with them. They're still wrong.


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Didn't read much about your shell thing. Sounds like a conclusion in search of a justification. Particularly when the first Google hit is Bible Science Forum. What I wrote is the way real scientists explain it.


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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Didn't read much about your shell thing. Sounds like a conclusion in search of a justification. Particularly when the first Google hit is Bible Science Forum. What I wrote is the way real scientists explain it.


All real scientists are creationists. That's why every year evolutionist Ph.D. scientists become creationists; not the other way around. They discover the fallacy.


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All real scientists are creationists.

Oh, okay. But someone forgot to tell the likes of Feynman, Hawking. Now Lemaitre was a creationist but not in the sense you use the word.


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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Didn't read much about your shell thing. Sounds like a conclusion in search of a justification. Particularly when the first Google hit is Bible Science Forum. What I wrote is the way real scientists explain it.


All real scientists are creationists. That's why every year evolutionist Ph.D. scientists become creationists; not the other way around. They discover the fallacy.


Ok that is complete BS...not all scientists even study this field. How do you know how many Ph.D scientists switch which side of the argument they are on? Could it also be that creationists might be far more reluctant to change their views do to the threat of their soul burning in hell forever if they dare to question the issue?

I'm not at all sure that man is simply a more highly evolved animal, it seems to me we are too different than any other creature in too many ways for that to be the case, but those differences are not so much physical. I don't care if evolution perfectly describes how our bodies developed, but there is a whole lot more to us than body, and that's where the big differences lie.

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Didn't read much about your shell thing. Sounds like a conclusion in search of a justification. Particularly when the first Google hit is Bible Science Forum. What I wrote is the way real scientists explain it.


All real scientists are creationists. That's why every year evolutionist Ph.D. scientists become creationists; not the other way around. They discover the fallacy.


Ok that is complete BS...not all scientists even study this field. How do you know how many Ph.D scientists switch which side of the argument they are on? Could it also be that creationists might be far more reluctant to change their views do to the threat of their soul burning in hell forever if they dare to question the issue?

I'm not at all sure that man is simply a more highly evolved animal, it seems to me we are too different than any other creature in too many ways for that to be the case, but those differences are not so much physical. I don't care if evolution perfectly describes how our bodies developed, but there is a whole lot more to us than body, and that's where the big differences lie.


there is that. don't want to get us off tract. but likely humans are not even native or original to urth. we're here from elsewhere, almost certainly.

we're poorly adapted, but doing our best in the face of the difficulties.

the fact that at least some of us can fly to the moon, and related means we're unlike any other species of mammal on the earth.
we can even send robot probes across the solar system, and maybe beyond.

once we get a definitive definition of us humans, then we can better understand our motives, beliefs, and intentions.


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