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I think supporting this as a good thing against "bad hunters" is short sighted; feeds right into the divide and conquer of hunters. If you don't like baiting, deer, bears, whatever...don't. But don't cheer more restrictions being put on hunters, if you like to hunt. Your "unsporting" use of a firearm, or whatever else is deemed "unsportsmanlike" may be next. spot on
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Part of southeast pa where i hunt is considered "special regulations area" and baiting is legal with conditions, must be an automatic feeder, dispense 2x daily max and only during hunting hours. Purpose of this is for population control and limited open land and to draw and hold the deer on properties where hunting is allowed. I "hunt" a few of these to help the landowners manage the herds. All i have ever seen while watching these are doe and small young bucks. The bigger bucks simply dont often come in to feed sites during daylight hours. Have talked to hunters in the more moutainous forested northern areas of the state and they told be a bait pile will bring deer in from all over the area, so i guess it depends on the area.
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You have a tag to kill a deer. You kill a deer. Fuggin doogooders getting in other's business ain't going to help anything.
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The Michigan DNR Sucks, 3 point rule 4 point rule! Bait dont Bait, I realy dont care much anymore! I do know 6 guys that are Not hunting in Michigan this year, they are going out of state! I live where I hunt, I could care less about the Baiting rule, if we can bait Ill put my 2 gallons of shell corn out, and Yes Iv Killed Large bucks over bait too! and without bait! I passed 2 diffrent 6 point bucks last year. I have 2 doe tags this year, 2 buck tags, Iv Passed on button bucks for 25 years but not anymore if its eating size Im shooting them. small six going down Im tired of the Let them Grow Crap! Fill the Freeze this year! I think the biggest BS in MI is QDM OK if you want to wait till you see a xx point great its your hunt If you someone who comes up from GR and Det and your conscience is good with a 4 pt great What about the 20 year old that never took a deer and wants to get started and the 4 pt is his option that no good enough as you mature as a hunter you start to make choices and thats the way it should be If you want meat in the freezer and this is good for you great But we have groups that want to tell me that deer is not quality that one isnt either wait till you see this one Fxxx Off I am not a trophy hunter and each season I try to keep track of what is in my area and I hunt accordingly I made the best Venison burgers last night I have no idea if it was a 6 or an 8 or the freezer buck I took last year It was great (it really was) I dont (and SSB taught me you cant anyway) horde game I take what I think is appropriate depending on what we see getting ready for the season I want to legally hunt my hunt Hank
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Everything that hunters do is considered to be bad for the deer.
It should be up to the landowner what takes place on their place regarding this.
I just find it hard that slinging some corn will make every deer within miles of the site to come in.
Oh, they just line up and you can just pick out the one you want as if they were tame cows.
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We bait, plant food plots, hunt holes in the fences, hunt game trails, hunt the falling acorns and pecans. We do what is legal, if they do away with feeders, so be it. I agree. Here in Texas most people I know hunt over feeders including myself. Of all the bucks I’ve killed, only one was at the feeder. There’s so much for deer to eat that they don’t always come to the feeder.
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I have a place (family farm ) and we had no deer when I was growing up. Or turkeys. The game dept. brought in deer back in the 80's and I brought in Rio Grande turkeys. They both thrive here now. I plant plots and do feeders as needed. Do coyote control. I am 59 this year and have only killed one deer on that property and not over a plot or feeder. Have had many a youth out to kill a deer there mainly to control doe numbers. They are all conservation tools and that's the name of the game. Stewardship....
Having said that when it is time to thin populations I have zero qualms about shooting over a plot or feeder because killin' is killin'. Hunting is between you and the game and those skills are taught here along with responsible conservation. So there is "hunting" and then there is "harvesting" both are needed.....
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I feel the same way Hank! The Cos have told me that they find or are called to lots of Dead Bucks, Fork horns that are shot, and when the shooter Not hunter sees that its Not legal they just walk away and leave it! the one that I talked to last year had seen 11 small bucks just last season alone! the 3 point rule sucks, we should have alot of big bucks, but dont! Also its still legal to bait for the weekend Youth hunt , WHY if Baiting is Bad for the Deer heard go Figure!
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/18/ted-nugent-says-new-michigan-hunting-rules-will-tr/Ted Nugent took aim Tuesday at a new rule prohibiting baiting and feeding deer and elk in Michigan, ........ “We believe the authority to ban baiting and feeding should remain with the Natural Resources Commission, the body responsible for regulating the method and manner of take of game in Michigan,” said DNR spokesperson Ed Golder. “In addition, peer-reviewed research has shown that baiting and feeding that concentrates animals beyond their normal movement patterns increases the likelihood of disease transmission.” Mr. Nugent took issue with the state for standing by the peer-review research, however, slamming both the DNR and NRC over the ban, local media reported. “They’re either liars or they’re stupid,” said Mr. Nugent, Michigan’s Up North Live news site reported. “ But, in the world of political correctness, some guy in a lab coat made a decision. He’s never even eaten a deer; he’s never been in a deer woods and if he has, he’s either lying or hopelessly ignorant. I want regulations based on sound science to keep these precious wildlife resources in the asset column, attracted to the hunting families in Michigan, to become a destination state.” “I am the ultimate conservationist and I killed two mature bucks on my property last year with my bow and arrow, neither of them anywhere near bait. I don’t need to bait. Nobody needs to bait. I don’t need an 850 horsepower hellcat either but I’m an American and I own that property,” added Mr. Nugent, according to the outlet. “If you don’t want to hunt over bait, it’s pretty simple. Don’t. We choose. It’s a choice.” Here is your little piece of EU style government where some functionary makes the laws.
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uncle ted remains an expert on the subject of civil disobedience, i've never hunted over bait anyway.
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When I grew up there was no such thing as baiting. You found what looked like a good spot and hunted it. You really don't need to bait if you hunt farmland, the deer are there. The northern part of the state and the UP, there was much more in the large forest tracts. My favorite places to hunt, I enjoy getting out and scouting these forests and pinning down area the deer are moving and using. I know DNR biologists working on this problem that are avid hunters. The issue isn't food itself, it is nose to nose contact over a feeder or pile of feed. When you pile food over couple of square feet, you increase the likelihood of contact. A multi acre food plot is not the same.
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The problem with that is deer are social and are nose to nose all the time regardless of if it's a bait pile. Scrapes? Licking branches? Concentrated food sources such as cornfields, acorns, apple or pears, grooming each other? I think supporting this as a good thing against "bad hunters" is short sighted; feeds right into the divide and conquer of hunters. If you don't like baiting, deer, bears, whatever...don't. But don't cheer more restrictions being put on hunters, if you like to hunt. Your "unsporting" use of a firearm, or whatever else is deemed "unsportsmanlike" may be next. Great post. And you'd be hard pressed to see a group more divided than MI deer hunters. You have elitist archery hunters looking down their nose at crossbow or firearm hunters (ironically 99% use the latest compound technology), you have baiters and non baiters, private vs public land, , traditional vs QDM hunters, numerous seasons starting in September through Jan 1st. Yet they all wonder why, as a group, they can't get anything accomplished to better deer hunting overall as compared to groups with a fraction of the numbers such as the bear hunters or trappers. Deer hunters are divided and their own worst enemy.
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I think the biggest BS in MI is QDM
OK if you want to wait till you see a xx point great its your hunt If you someone who comes up from GR and Det and your conscience is good with a 4 pt great What about the 20 year old that never took a deer and wants to get started and the 4 pt is his option that no good enough as you mature as a hunter you start to make choices and thats the way it should be
If you want meat in the freezer and this is good for you great But we have groups that want to tell me that deer is not quality that one isnt either wait till you see this one
Fxxx Off
I am not a trophy hunter and each season I try to keep track of what is in my area and I hunt accordingly
I made the best Venison burgers last night I have no idea if it was a 6 or an 8 or the freezer buck I took last year It was great (it really was)
I dont (and SSB taught me you cant anyway) horde game I take what I think is appropriate depending on what we see getting ready for the season
I want to legally hunt my hunt
Hank
For that reason, I'd rather see them go back to one buck. MI has good genetics but you can't have 300k+ bowhunters and 600k+ firearm hunters two any season bucks and expect older age class bucks. I'd rather to see something like Wisconsin, one per archery, one per firearm. Also its still legal to bait for the weekend Youth hunt , WHY if Baiting is Bad for the Deer heard go Figure! Yep. If it's that much of an issue, why is it allowed during that hunt?
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I'd rather to see something like Wisconsin, one per archery, one per firearm.
And I'd like to see WI do what KS does - you get a single buck tag, how you fill it is up to you. Hunters. We're a fickle bunch, eh?
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I'd rather to see something like Wisconsin, one per archery, one per firearm.
And I'd like to see WI do what KS does - you get a single buck tag, how you fill it is up to you. Hunters. We're a fickle bunch, eh? Ohio is 1 buck per year. Archery or Firearm.
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I have to say that feeders help the deer get through tough winters and there will be fewer deer if supplemental feeding is not done. Feeders also make it a lot easier to put a dent in the hog population. The sale of bait corn is a huge industry and this will hurt them some. On the other hand if the feeders help spread disease maybe they should stop doing it for a while.
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Ain't accusing, just wondering. Ted apparently offers guided hunts on his Michigan property. https://www.tednugent.com/sunrize-safari-hunts/Does he use bait?
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