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Climate change is absolutely real! It's called weather and it changes all the time. It was changing before man started keeping track of it and it will continue to change.

If you want to know why all the sudden spotlight on the 'climate change'...... follow the money!


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We are in the middle of a period of climate change. That much is readily observable. Problem is that there is ample evidence in the geologic record of other periods of climate change in the cenezoic (and recent cenezoic at that) that make what we're experiencing now look like a speedbump. There is similar evidence that atmospheric CO2 levels during the cretaceous were higher than they are today. I'm just sick and tired of being lectured on climate change by people who couldn't tell you the difference between methane and CO2 if their lives depended on it. Rant over. . . . . . .

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Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91

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do humans have a significant impact?

Humans have zero impact.




I'd like to see your proof of that.



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We may pollute the earth to the degree that it kills off the human race, but the earth will always win.

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The scientists that are harping on climate change (global warming) are the ones getting grant money for doing it. Look at who's propping them up and you'll find out who's funding the climate hoax. Our country has been pretty good at watching our emissions but the rest of the world hasn't although they always look to us to foot the bill for their excesses.

We can do a lot to make our lives better but we cannot do anything to change the climate not the weather patterns. That is part of nature and is going to happen no matter what we do.

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IMHO it's not a question of if the climate is changing....it is, it always is, and always has been. My questions are: Why is climate change inherently bad? What areas are actually benefiting from a change in weather? Why aren't the people who own oceanfront property selling and moving to higher ground or at least building their beach houses on stilts?

I think the topic is a huge scam to scare and control people for the gain of a few hucksters.


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90,000 years ago my part of Michigan was covered with ice. Hell yes it is warming.
Dino's were wiped out by a big rock hitting the earth and hiding the sky.
A big volcano going off will change the climate for many years.
I really don't think it is us so much.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91

Originally Posted by Gus
do humans have a significant impact?

Humans have zero impact.




I'd like to see your proof of that.



I wont say humans have zero impact, but it not nearly as much as the tree huggers want you to believe.

A few examples of what nature does when man is gone.

www.trend-chaser.com/amazing/these-...er-being-taken-back-by-nature/?firefox=1

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/07/eerie-ghost-town-shows-quickly-nature-takes-humans-leave-7611910/


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Ask yourself how many banks stoped loaning, developers stop developing, insurance companies won't insure any ocean front property anywhere in the world.

That's all you need to know.

Btw, Obama's just bought ocean front property on Martha's Vineyard.

Any questions ?

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Well I suppose we all have out opinion on climate change so he is mine. IT'S THE SUN STUPID! Think of the sun as like the Coleman lantern fed with white gas. Fill the tank, pump up the pressure, light the wick and there's the light. As the pressure decreases over time, the light dims so we pump up the pressure again and voila, more bright light. Say the sun is like that Coleman lantern. Pressure is high and we get heat. Pressure falls and it gets colder. Probably for the sun the "pressure" is more of an internal function but that's my simple theory on what causes climate change/global warming. We do know of was age where the temperature was so high it would have been impossible for human life to exist and we know that during the Carboniferous Period the oxygen level was so high that the air would have been poisonous to human life. How many ice ages were there? I know it was more than one and IIRC, only the last one had humans in existence. Guess it must have been their fault, right?

When it comes to pollution and if it may or may not be man's fault, I think that every time a volcano decides to just burp, or erupt or do a full blown blow out, more pollution and Co2 get put into the atmosphere than man could over one hell of a long period of time. Wasn't the "little ice age" caused when the volcano on the island of Krakatoa blew it's top? I'm no scientist, no big bunch of letters stuck on the end of my name saying Piled Higher and Deeper but I do read and I can think. My conclusion it global warming/climate change does exist. That it is caused by we humans is the height if egotistical stupidity foisted on the public for political power and financial gain by a select few. In other words, total bovine excrement.
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91

Originally Posted by Gus
do humans have a significant impact?

Humans have zero impact.




I'd like to see your proof of that.


If "Climate Science" was an actual theory, it could make testable predictions that would that would actually come true.
Instead, what we have is a 50 year record of failed predictions, and even a complete 180 from the original hypothesis.

Are you old enough to remember Global Cooling?




Here's an article on their failed preditions:

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
Myron Ebell, Steven J. Milloy • September 18, 2019

SUMMARY

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today.

None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true.

What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and science.

More than merely spotlighting the failed predictions, this collection shows that the makers of failed apocalyptic predictions often are individuals holding respected positions in government and science.

While such predictions have been and continue to be enthusiastically reported by a media eager for sensational headlines, the failures are typically not revisited.

1967: ‘Dire famine by 1975.’

1969: ‘Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989.’

1970: ‘America subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980.’

1970: Ice age by 2000

1971: ‘New Ice Age Coming’

1972: New ice age by 2070

1974: ‘New Ice Age Coming Fast’

1974: ‘Another Ice Age?’

1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life’

1976: ‘The Cooling’

1980: ‘Acid Rain Kills Life in Lakes’
But 10 years later, the US government program formed to study acid rain concluded: Acid Rain no environmental crisis.

1978: ‘No End in Sight’ to 30-Year Cooling Trend

1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s
But the last really dry year in the Midwest was 1988, and recent years have been record wet.

1988: Washington DC days over 90F to from 35 to 85
But the number of hot days in the DC area peaked in 1911, and have been declining ever since.

988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years

1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000

1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019

1995 to Present: Climate Model Failure (graphic in linked article)

2000: ‘Children won’t know what snow is.’

2002: Famine in 10 years

2004: Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020

2008: Arctic will be ice-free by 2018


2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013

2009: Prince Charles says only 8 years to save the planet

2009: UK prime minister says 50 days to ‘save the planet from catastrophe’

2013: Arctic ice-free by 2015

Gas hydrate dissociation off Svalbard induced by isostatic rebound rather than global warming

2013: Arctic ice-free by 2016

2014: Only 500 days before ‘climate chaos’

Original articles and sources to for all the above in linked article.

As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.


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Originally Posted by kingston
G-man,

i've often wondered.

It’s what makes you you.


it's been cold here, down to -5 numerous times. (yes, it'll bust plumbing).

Never trust a realtor.


it's been hot here, over a 100 is not that uncommon.

Rejoice, if you have less body hair than your ancestors.



we have tropical storms and hurricanes.

Life without coconuts would be unbearable.


they're both natural and fill aquifers.

Dasani and Aquafina are not real water.


should we depend upon scientists?

Scientists claim rectal thermometers are more accurate.


should we vote on it as a group?

Only if we can do it in person and blindfolded.



what if it's not real at all?

Pronouns without reference should be illegal.



I nominate this for post of the year.

Only a few more months to beat "it" (the above post nominated for post of the year, that is)

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.


Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.

That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."



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what could we do, as humans, to make a positive difference in the vorld?

i can buy vehicles like toyota products built and sold upon reliability marketing.

i can eat less expensive steak and save the difference?

whose fault is it that we won WW2?

that is, the high priests at NASA are running the ISS.

i'd buy a big farm and turn it into a wilderness, but due to price.


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It's easy--
The climate changes every year, it gets hot in summer and cold in winter
It has been changing for as long as it has been recorded
Man did not create it, man cannot change it!

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.


Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.

That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."


Those who proclaim man made climate change are not in the same league as Flat Earthers and Young Earth Earth Creationist in the regard that they have not met their burden of proof. I just gave you over 2 dozen testable predictions they made, all of which failed to come true.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.


Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.

That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."


Those who proclaim man made climate change are not in the same league as Flat Earthers and Young Earth Earth Creationist in the regard that they have not met their burden of proof. I just gave you over 2 dozen testable predictions they made, all of which failed to come true.



i thought the 2000 year IT issue had something going on.

then in 2012 the mayans had their time on stage.

man alive, it's a drought in our area.

where are the hurricanes?


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There are 2 big problems
1 our children are being indoctrinated in schools by liberal school staff who kneel at the liberal trough of college educators
2 scientists are not apolitical--they swim in the sewer of left wing politics and their economic futures are tied to liberal grants which color their results
I like like the story of the National Weather service monitoring station in Long Island that was originally in a potato field but is now next to a chinese restaraunt in a strip mall--great data coming from there

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