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Was just over on GunBroker and pulled up bolt actions rifles in .358 Winchester. Other than a couple of rare Winchester Model 70s and a few Rugers there were none...

I know that there have only been a few production .358s but to have so few on the market...and I know several people who have made up custom rifles..

Is it just that it is such a great round no ones ever sells them, or when they go to sell them local buyers are standing in line...

I've had a couple and still have a Ruger Frontier in stainless that was taken out of the Kiddie stock and put in a standard Ruger synthetic stock...it is a great up close deer/hog/bear gun...

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I think that you're right about the pre-'64 Winchester 70 and Ruger 77 being the only cataloged bolt action 358s.

No pump guns, no semi-autos, and no single shots.

Browning BLRs, Savage 99s, and Winchester 88 lever actions in 358.

Marlin 336ER and Winchester 94 Big-Bore in 356.

If the 356 and 358 were great cartridges, more people would have recognized their greatness and there would have been more demand for rifles chambered for those cartridges.

I have 1 358 Ruger 77 and 1 356 Marlin 336SC that was rechambered from 35 REM. The Ruger is NIB and although I shot a couple of whitetails with the 356 back in 2003 and 2004, I don't think that it has been out of the house since I came home and cleaned/oiled it.

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No .35 caliber cartridge has ever gained great popularity in this country. A caliber that large simply isn't needed for most of what gets hunted here.

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260Remguy, Mannlicher Schoenauer was chambered in the .358 Win, at least the MCA carbine was.


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There were a few A-Bolts sold thru Grice in PA a few years ago.

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I had one years back. I genuinely don’t think it does anything the 308 does except kick more.


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Great round. Bang, flop.

I have a custom bolt gun in the caliber, and a Savage M99 Brush Gun. The Savage is for sale and in the classifieds here if anyone is interested.

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Creedmore and Grendel are the current favorites, though a great cartridge the .358 sadly never caught on. I have owned pre'64 M/70 and Ruger 77 rifle chambered for .358. My current .35 is a Whelen rebore of a pre'64 Super Grade M/70, it is my go to deer rifle and probably the last one I'd ever sell.

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Yeah, I don’t know how many 356/358 rifles I’ve had over the years. All were hellacious killers, and I love 35s. I just have no good justification for them over other stuff, no matter how hard I try. Anecdotally, I’ve thought they did some things better, but there’s no proof on the stuff I’ve shot with them. If I hunted more elk, moose, and bear, and always inside 300, I could argue a bit more....but all I ever got to pull the trigger on with those was deer and hogs....was almost magnumitis at times. 357 max does as much as I need with a 35 most days.

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A .358 is only a re-bore away, if you simply must have one. That market niche remains tiny, has been for several generations, but someone will try again, no doubt. The little .35 Remington soldiers on in it's own niche, doing most of the work folks think they need a .358 for.


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I have had a BLR, a rare pre-64 M70 and a M77. All are gone. I have had this pre-64 M70 for a number of years. One of my boys will get it some day.

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I have a M.70 XTR Featherweight that I rebarreled with a #3 profile to .358 and it is not a featherweight anymore but, it is a shooter. I could be talked into selling it as I don't think I've hunted with it in 15 years. wink


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Originally Posted by Brad
I had one years back. I genuinely don’t think it does anything the 308 does except kick more.

Makes sense. I couldn't tell that the.35 Rem. did a damn thing the .30-30 didn't do just as well.

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I got 2, BLR and a ruger American, I’ll probably never trip either one


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I had one years back. I genuinely don’t think it does anything the 308 does except kick more.

Makes sense. I couldn't tell that the.35 Rem. did a damn thing the .30-30 didn't do just as well.


I agree. the 30-30 seems to do as well on deer.

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I've thought about getting one., It just seems to be a misfit. I think the 35 whelen is higher on my priority list.

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The .358 Win is one of my favorites. I am fortunate to own three. A Ruger 77 Hawkeye All-Weather, a Savage 99F and a 7600 Remington that I had Nathan at Hillbilly Custom Rifles make up for me. Great medicine for anything in the Northeast.

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Looks like the Ruger American 358's are dried up. I wish I'd have bought one of those.


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Originally Posted by Judman
I got 2, BLR and a ruger American, I’ll probably never trip either one


Same here. I’ve got a BLR, lil brother has a Hawkeye. Neither of them are slouches and work plenty good. Maybe not any different but shoot, most of us would get by just fine with a 270/280/30-06 as well.


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Looks like the Ruger American 358's are dried up. I wish I'd have bought one of those.


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I had an old steel receiver BLR with the magazine that extended out. I used a load from Ken Water's in his Pet Loads with 3031. It turned out to be a pretty accurate rig using 200 gr Hornady spire points. I sold that rifle after I picked up a Rem custom shop KS Mod 7 in .350 mag.

I still have a Mannlicher Schoenauer model MCA carbine in .358 and it shoots well using TAC that Mule Deer worked up. Instead of using Hornady bullets I am using 225 gr Woodleigh's


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There are several Ruger Americans in 358 WIN on GB

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Got a Savage 99 and a early Ruger 77 both in 358. Great rifles and one top cartridge. But I like 35 calibers. Have 3, 35 Remington's, 1 Marlin, 2 Remington 141's, but I only have 1 in 35 Whelen anymore. This is as small as the 35 caliber herd is going to get, it could grow or breed.

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I had JES rebore a 243 Rem 700 I got here on the classifieds, duracoated it and found a really nice walnut stock( also from the classifieds) and refinished it in a darker stain, hand rubbed oil finish. It is my new favorite PA scoped rifle. Put a little 2-7 Burris on it. It’s a beauty. All told, into it for around 700 and it’s exactly the rifle I was looking for. I will disagree with others in its apparent effect on game, shooting 225 round nose bullets it seems to just lay the deer down quickly when I’ve used this chambering in the past as compared to my 308, which was no slouch either. The 308!has the edge in open country where I might be reaching out passed 300 yards, but here in Pa/Ny it’s plenty and then some on reaching out there and getting it done.

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I was looking at the current Grice flyer earlier this week and they have 20-in. Ruger American Rifle .358s on sale.


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I have one or two at the moment. Getting more, and there is a Tanger Ruger in a fullstock , she keeps whispering to me to send her to JES and let him caress her into a 358 Winchester. I'm all for it. I just have to get the go ahead from Jess. He's done a 7600 and a Savage 9.3X62 from 30-06. The 9.3 being, to me, a long action 358 Winchester. 0.08" difference...……… Be Well, Rusty


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I don't see where the 308 has much of an edge. I've studied my tables but shooting to see actual drop has done more for me than anything. Get out and shoot that 358. Maybe Winchester will load more factory 200 gr silvertips or some ballistic silvertips as an advancement. Wouldn't have to make bullets just load the ones from Nosler. Are you listening Winchester? Or are you going to suck up to the commies like Colt? Be Well, Rusty


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Originally Posted by Rustyzipper
I don't see where the 308 has much of an edge. I've studied my tables but shooting to see actual drop has done more for me than anything. Get out and shoot that 358. Maybe Winchester will load more factory 200 gr silvertips or some ballistic silvertips as an advancement. Wouldn't have to make bullets just load the ones from Nosler. Are you listening Winchester? Or are you going to suck up to the commies like Colt? Be Well, Rusty


Doesn't Winchester/Olin make "seasonal" runs of 358 ammo with the 200 grain ST?

I can't see why they would make much of an effort to support what is essentially an orphan cartridge even if it was introduced by Winchester.

It looks like Hornady is currently making the largest number of different factory loads for low volume cartridges, so maybe you would have more success contacting them rather than Winchester/Olin.

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I have an excellent condition Savage 99 ser A Brush Gun for sale in the classifieds...

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Neither Win nor Rem has been able to get the average American over his aversion, and terror, regarding any over-.30 cartridge. The few who do try something get a .338 win mag and grimace and close their eyes tight shut when firing it. They never try the effective but mild mannered .358 Win or .338 Fed. Just the size of a .35 Whelen ctg makes them flinch.


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There are, or were, lots of people hunting medium game with 32 WS, 8x57, and 35 REM in the northeast.

I like the 338 FED with the 200 grain AB and 210 grain Partition, but haven't shot any game with it yet.

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Here's a really nice one for sale. However, you have to be willing to dig deep in your pockets for this one

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I bought a SS Ruger Hawkeye or 77 in .358, I forget it's been a while. I do remember it having light primer strike issues with factory Win. Silver tips. I don't know if it's the rifle or the ammo as I haven't had it out in years.

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I haven't seen a "seasonal run" of 358 Winchester in some time. I think I know where there is another silver box of the 200 gr silvertips. That will bring my count to quite a few boxes of factory ammo for my rifles. Might be a good idea to have 100 rounds per rifle. I have reloads as well. Can anyone find silvertips to reload? I'm not sure if the premium Nosler "silver ballistic tip" is available in 200 gr .358. I have a number of Remington SPs that look like a protected tip and some 35 Remington style round nose that look like bombs. They stop deer at close range like a bomb. I have used them when in brush and the protected tips in open hunting. It works for me. My hunting spot requires a dead deer to not cross property lines. The 358 Winchester and the 350 Rem mag assures that. Be Well, Rusty.


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I like 35 cal. I looked at the 358 and really liked what I saw until I saw a Sauer & Sohn 98 in 9 X 57 that I liked the rifle even better than anything the 358 was chambered in.. Now there's three 9 X 57's in the toy box, one a 9 X 57R in a nice Jaeger drilling. The 9 X 57 is just a little more 358....I'd happily take either over the 308 in the right rifle.

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Sharps4590 please put up a photograph of the drilling on this thread. Be Well, Rusty.


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Originally Posted by Rustyzipper
I have one or two at the moment. Getting more, and there is a Tanger Ruger in a fullstock , she keeps whispering to me to send her to JES and let him caress her into a 358 Winchester. I'm all for it. I just have to get the go ahead from Jess. He's done a 7600 and a Savage 9.3X62 from 30-06. The 9.3 being, to me, a long action 358 Winchester. 0.08" difference...……… Be Well, Rusty


"Getting more, and there is a Tanger Ruger in a fullstock , she keeps whispering to me to send her to JES and let him caress her into a 358 Winchester. I'm all for it. I just have to get the go ahead from Jess."

If that full stock tanger is an RSI and not someone's custom, I'm thinking the barrel may be too skinny for a rebore to .358 Win. I have three tanger RSI's in .308 and the barrels on mine and damn sure too skinny at the muzzle. One of my RSI's had a stock that is "thicker" than the other two with more wood in the forearm by about a quarter inch or so,=. I've thought about taking one of the two tangers I have in .358 Win. and seeing if it's feasible to drop it into the full stock and trim the barrel to match. Salvage the rear sight from the .308 barrel but may not be able to do it with the front sight.

Not so funny story on a full stock Ruger (RSI) in .358 Win. At the NRA convention back IIRC 1982/3 I asked the Ruger rep if they would consider the RSI in .358 Win.The dude reacted as if I'd asked his mother to do a show with a donkey. There were a few four letter words exchanged on both sides. A simple no or more realistic, "I doubt it." would have been sufficient.

FWIW, the thicker RSI never go converted to .358 because my wife decided she liked that one better than the two thinner ones.
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I thought I measured it and had a few "thou" over the minimum Jess wanted. Guess I'll have to look again. Is it .100 extra. I have forgotten at this point. Be Well, Rusty.


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I have two 358WIN rifles. Ruger American from Grice and a Weatherby Vanguard via JES. Both shoot very well. Hornady factory loads a 200gr bullet . Have several boxes of old Winchester factory 200s from when I first started with a 358 BLR. My handload from the start been 225 over 748 now in Starline cases. Have started to use TAC recently. Nosler says the 200gr Ballistic Tip is too long for std mag length. Love my 358s except the BLR so it went down the road.

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Those that appreciate them are not selling.....those that do not appreciate it.....either never owned one or, already sold. It’s perhaps one of the most “underrated” short range ( less than 300 yards) cartridges around! memtb

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Small case medium bores have always performed poorly to mediocre at best in the market since the advent of nitro powder and bottleneck cases, and for good reason. There's very few people who want more bore diameter without the case to drive a reasonable sectional density bullet at a reasonable velocity. The .35 Whelen suffers from the same problem.

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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
There's very few people who want more bore diameter without the case to drive a reasonable sectional density bullet at a reasonable velocity. The .35 Whelen suffers from the same problem.


.358's in any variety do very well on game. Magumitis abounds.

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There's very few people who want more bore diameter without the case to drive a reasonable sectional density bullet at a reasonable velocity. The .35 Whelen suffers from the same problem.


.358's in any variety do very well on game. Magumitis abounds.

x2! ....... Except for a lone 300H&H, I'm done with magnums. I might get another 358Win in the future.

Even a lightweight old stye walnut Model Seven in 35Remington would be cool in these parts.

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I have two 358WIN rifles. Ruger American from Grice and a Weatherby Vanguard via JES. Both shoot very well. Hornady factory loads a 200gr bullet . Have several boxes of old Winchester factory 200s from when I first started with a 358 BLR. My handload from the start been 225 over 748 now in Starline cases. Have started to use TAC recently. Nosler says the 200gr Ballistic Tip is too long for std mag length. Love my 358s except the BLR so it went down the road.


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Nice wart hog Ed! What was your load?


Sorry for the late reply. The Barnes 200 gr TTSX pushed by 52 grs of TAC, WLR primer in Winchester 358 brass.


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I have a New Ultra light Arms Model 20 in 358 Winchester. It is perhaps the best field gun one might want. It is easy to carry, tough as nails. looks good, fits me perfectly, and shoots 3 shot cloverleafs with jacketed and cast bullets. Best hog, deer, and elk rifle I could imagine out to 300 yards. Mine has a 3" magazine which allows a long COAL. This rifle has a 21" barrel and shoots 200 grain Barns TSX bullet at 2575 fps. I have never recovered a bullet from a game animal using this load. The 358 is a lot more gun than the 308. It hits harder and shoots the same weight bullets faster (like any larger caliber on the same case. This rifle will shot my 285 LTB bullet at 2150. It ain;t pleasant in a 5# rifle so I shoot them at 1700. The real point is the rifle shoots about anything very accurately.

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IMHO: 1.You aren't going to find many for sale because the 358 never caught on and their weren't that many 358 Winchesters made. 2. The people who actually own and hunt with them are not likely to sell them because they kill like the hammer of Thor on deer and hogs. They do it with out deafening or kicking the hunter so hard that he misses . With standard cup and core bullets penetration is great! I would be perfectly happy to hunt every thing in North America with a 358.

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I had a BLR in 358 Win. It was some years ago and I did not reload at the time. Finding ammo for it pre-internet was next to impossible. I sold it for that reason and got a BLR in 308 Win.

I now have to Model 71's that I reload for 348 Win. If not for on-line brass (when you can find it) and bullets I'd not load for it either!

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These posts are bang on. I am not sure if we are talking about the chicken or egg, but it must be one or the other. 358W sre not common and neither is the ammo. I solved this problem by opening up 308 Winchester Brass with one pass through any 358 die. Magnum, Whelen, 35 Remington, even 38 special dies work. However, if ya don't reload, the 358 is probably a pass.

Isn't it ironic how some cartridges catch on and others just don't. The truth is we have way more cartridges than we have needs in the field. Rifles in one of the 22, 308, 375, and 458 physically satisfy all of the hunting "requirements." But I'm a gun nut. Where's the fun in minimalism?

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I am a fan of the 35 caliber, and have owned a good number of rifles in most of the 35 caliber cartridges you can imagine at one time or another.
At the moment I have only one, a Winchester 94XTR in 356 Winchester.
For the area where I live and the hunting conditions which are most commonly encountered, I find it is just about the perfect rifle/caliber combination. With bullet weights available from 180 grains up to 250 grains, or even heavier, it offers a variety of options to the handloader..
I find the180 gr and 220 gr Speer flatpoints will take care of any deer, and the 250 gr Hawk flatpoints for hogs which are very common around here, and some of which get up to pretty healthy weights.
Out to 200 yds the 356 does a great job on anything I would care to shoot, and with heavier bullets it's suitable for pretty much any game animals in the US with the only exception being Brown Bears.
The same is true of the 358, although if I were going to purchase another 35 caliber bolt gun, I would most likely opt for the 35 Whelen.
The 35's have never gained the popularity that the 7MM and 30 caliber cartridges have, and never will.
Only the 35 Remington, 358 Winchester, and 35 Whelen are still readily available, which to me is a shame.
Shooters that own and use the 35's tend to keep them, as they work well.
Hence their relative scarcity on the market.


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One of my favorite hunting rifles of all time was a Remington Model 7KS in .350 RM that I foolishly sold... That rifle would have also been perfect in .358. The barrel contour on that gun was perfect and can not understand that if Remington can make a .35 caliber barrel that slim why can't others. I know Firearms44 has had several custom .358s made and he can't find any maker who will do less than a #3 contour.


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My Ruger frontier 358 is a personal favorite. I think the 358 and 338 federal are two of the great calibers


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While not a 358 Win, my original 35 Whelen Ruger M77 RS measures .560" at the muzzle. I bedded it in one of Mark Basner's stocks years ago. Makes for a handy package.

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I just shot a 275 pound Russian Sow with my 358 NULA rifle. 200 grain TSX bullet at about 2550 FPS. ONe shot rulled her on the spot. Bullet went through rib, heart, exited on off shoulder. About 100 paces. Could not ask for a better, practical hunting rifle.

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Wheelerdan, you have photos? Would be sweet to see. Be Well, RZ


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I don;t know how to post photos here. Yes, I have them.

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Had an itch for a 358 Win a year or so ago. Was all set to send a .308 to JES for a rebore until I stumbled across a Ruger 77 tang safety at a small out of the way gun show.


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I have a 99 in 358, it is fun to shoot!

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Nice old thread. I found it searching for a .358 win.
Looks like finding a donor rifle and a JES rebore will be my solution when the time comes.

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Rebores work. Be Well, RZ.


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