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I have a Mauser C coming to my FFL. It will be hunted then a decision made. I'm thinking 9.3X62, but could go from 8X57 to 35 Whelen. I just think I need another 9.3. Convince me otherwise guys. 338-06, 35 Whelen, 358 Winchester, 350 Rem Mag w/bullets seated long, 9.3X62? Thanks and Be Well, Rusty

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Originally Posted by CRS
Recoil is one of the reasons I gravitated toward the 338-06. Had a Whelen in a 700 Classic and it was brutal to shoot with 225 and 250gr.

It could have been stock design, but it was not fun to shoot. If you can't shoot a rifle enough to be become familiar and comfortable.... I do not want to hunt with it.


Stock design makes way more difference in recoil than whether the cartridge is 338/06 or 35 Whelen, in my experience. Mine were so similar I couldn't tell a difference in recoil at all, both being pretty reasonable to shoot, even though the Whelen was the lighter rifle.

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I have used the .338-06 for a number of years and I think the 210 grain Nosler partition is a perfect match. The nose is soft enough to open at lower velocities and the partician limits this on close shots. I have been awed by its performance.


I've had exactly the same experience and thoughts about the Whelen and the 225gr Partition. IMO those two combinations are very similar, and more alike than different in performance despite the difference in caliber. Both are very nice combinations.

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.35 Whelen on a VZ-24 action in Boyd's stock pushing 250's at 2,400 just a gentle push.

.338-06 on s Steven's 200 in a McMillan Mtn Rifle stock pushing 225's at 2,450 will have you working on your prayer life! laugh

It's all about the stock and rifle weight, the Mtn rifle has a thin, knife like butt with a thin pad. The Boyd's is wider ans softer and the rifle weighs more.

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Recoil is one of the reasons I gravitated toward the 338-06. Had a Whelen in a 700 Classic and it was brutal to shoot with 225 and 250gr.

It could have been stock design, but it was not fun to shoot. If you can't shoot a rifle enough to be become familiar and comfortable.... I do not want to hunt with it.


Stock design makes way more difference in recoil than whether the cartridge is 338/06 or 35 Whelen, in my experience. Mine were so similar I couldn't tell a difference in recoil at all, both being pretty reasonable to shoot, even though the Whelen was the lighter rifle.


Had to be the stock design, recoil was as bad as a CZ Hogback 416 Rigby I once owned. Still soured me on the Whelen, and after using the 388-06, became a fan.

I can shoot my 375 H&H all day with 300gr TSX's at 2510fps.


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One of the great joys of these medium calibers is that the heavier bullets do NOT have to be pushed to anywhere like max speed for them to be extremely effective on game. In the Whelen, a 250 gr bullet at 2200-2300 fps is reliably effective on most game and.....recoil is minimized. You can push that same bullet up to 2600+fps for a little flatter trajectory, noticeably more recoil, and effective for anything on this continent.
The solution to taming the recoil is a bug squishy recoil pad like the Rem R3 or the Limbsaver. Continues to amaze me with their effectiveness.
My go to load for my Whelens is a 250 gr Partition loaded to a bit less than 2500fps. Powder is almost irrelevant, but Varget has been good to me. As has 8208, 4064, TAC, BallC2, 3031, etc etc.
A joy to the Whelen is their total lack of being finicky. You will have to work to find a combination it doesn't like.


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The 338-06 comes closer to the .338 WM with lighter bullets, 225 and lighter.

The Win Mag pulls ahead with heavier bullets, not too unlike the .308/30-06 comparison.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer


AAgaard's article reflects thorough research and experience with the 338-06 and other comparable calibers. It is a recommended American Rifleman article.
I have used Nosler partition 210-250s for hunting and they work well.
His treatment of powders and handloading detail show professional research. Hornady made a 250 gr steel wrapped solid
which would be handy for Africa.

As much as I like these cartridges, in Alaska timber I defer to the 348 Ackley Imp or the 450 Alaskan-on pre-war
Model 71s. The last Alaskan moose was shot at 90 yards with a 270 gr Hawk bullet. The close dark timber
in grizzly country really encourages the use of fast handling lever action rifles. The early Model 71 and Winchester
original 1886 filled that void -where fast repeat shots at close range may save hide and bacon.
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Agree that Aagaard article is very well thought out with lots of data. Sorta like Ken Waters Pet Loads, they had vintage components to work with. I’m interested in newer powders like RL-17, Big Game, etc. 4320 is a good one, was then and is now, in the 338-06.

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Back when I still had a 338-06 I used more BG than 4320. It was a M700 ADL, 22" Douglas #3, in a Rem Ti takeoff stock, barreled by Mickey Coleman. Fairly light at just under 7.5 lbs scoped. I used the 200 Hornady for local deer, and the 210 Partition when heading for elk country. I wanted to use the 225 AccuBond but never found a load it liked. My standard with either the 200 Hornady or the 210 Partition(2768fps) was 62 gr Big Game with a Win primer. Not long before selling it I tried working up CCI mag primers and got better groups. I stopped below the 62 gr level with the mag primers.
I kind of miss that rifle, but getting old enough to not appreciate the recoil.

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Just before I had my Whelen built I had a tough time deciding between it and the 338-06. Looking at the data it seemed the 210 Partition did not get that much more speed than the 200 gr. Partition out of my 30-06's. What I really wanted was bore diameter and round nose bullets for close and medium range hog and elk hunting, the 35 W delivered but now RN bullets are not all that easy to come by but the Hornady and Speer 250 gr. bullets have yet to fail me. Those two at 2400 fps are good for just about any use.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
Just before I had my Whelen built I had a tough time deciding between it and the 338-06. Looking at the data it seemed the 210 Partition did not get that much more speed than the 200 gr. Partition out of my 30-06's. What I really wanted was bore diameter and round nose bullets for close and medium range hog and elk hunting, the 35 W delivered but now RN bullets are not all that easy to come by but the Hornady and Speer 250 gr. bullets have yet to fail me. Those two at 2400 fps are good for just about any use.


The Whelen certainly filled your wish list.

When I was making the decision circa 1998-2000, I was moving up from a 270. 250gr projectiles were not part of the equation. Could I have just gotten a 30-06? Absolutely, but how boring would that have been?

I had already tried the Whelen and found it objectionable to shoot in the 700 Classic I owned, just as I found the 338Win Mag objectionable to shoot.

I can not imagine needing a 250gr out of my 338-06, if I thought I did, I would probably just grab my 375.


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I've never owned a Whelen; wouldn't trade my 338-06 for one.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I just acquired a very nice 98 FN 338-06 in a B&C Medalist that I'm tweaking. I've researched loads and am starting with 200 Speer and 225 Fed Fusion over 4320.

It's an unknown barrel, looks like a #4 contour at 24". Bore is pristine thru the Hawkeye, looks to be button rifled.

I'm looking for Big Game and Vv n140 load data. I also have RL-15, RL-17, H-4350 and a good selection in that burn range. Pet load data would be appreciated.

Picture is with a 4200 2.5-10x50, but the gun may end up with a Conquest 3-9x40 with elevation turret. The latter is lighter and glass is as good or better, IMO.

Gun came with Timney tirgger and Buehler safety.

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Made some changes. Did a marbling that morphed into granite...

My first such project. If you get carried away with marbling, you get granite... It's sorta growing on me.

Different scope, this one a Conquest 3-9x40 that I sent back for an elevation turret.

I'm getting loads ready to sight her in, starting with Speer 200's and Fed Fusion 225's, both over 4320, an old time 338-06 favorite..

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I have owned a .338 WM and loaded it with the long discontinued Speer 275gr. RN bullet and IMR 4350 for elk, this was a superbly accurate combination often producing 3 shot cloverleaf groups @ 100yds.. Now that I'm older I prefer the .35 Whelen with 200gr. Hornady Inter-lok. RN and IMR 3031 also use 225gr Sierra GK and IMR 4064 both loads are very accurate and perform well for harvesting whitetails.

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DF,
I think that rifle will become one of your favorites.


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It’s growing on me.

Will soon see how she shoots. Custom barrel in perfect shape, unknown maker. It’s glassed and free floated, looks to be a #4 contour. Weight about right for this round. Balances and handles well.

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MidwayUSA pkg just arrived. 180 gr.Woodleigh Weldcore PP SN, 160 TTSX and 200 Fed Fusion. Already have 225 Fed Fusion, which from what I understand is the same as the Speer Gold Dot, both plated bullets. Cheap but accurate and with reported good terminal performance. Should be perfect for WT's and hogs. Don't need a premium 338 cal bullet for that application.

Some have written that the 180 Weldcore was about the most accurate. Back when I had my .338-284, the 160 TTSX was about the most accurate, never tried the Weldcore.

I had sold all my 338 bullets when I traded the 338-284. Wish now I'd have kept some. I wasn't planning to get back in the 338 business until this gun came along.

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Thank you so much for the article by Aagaard. I have made a copy...

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