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Neither is a 500 yard elk cartridge. For deer and antelope only, I would take the .25-06. Seriously?.....
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There's nothing redeeming in either chambering. Hint.
Sell both and get something good.
Re-hint..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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308 would be my call, but i'd use 165gr accubonds or 180gr if they were more accurate. i don't have the skills or desire to shoot an elk at 500 yards but i've killed a bunch of them at 326yards and closer. op, whatever you select, good hunting.
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308 but not with SGK on elk Why not? I’m sure it’s because of bad SD. Bwahahaha. Lol, good one hh 😁
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308 but not with SGK on elk Why not? I’m sure it’s because of bad SD. Bwahahaha. I'm sure tons of elk have been shot with game kings without issue. I've never shot an elk with one but I have shot a bunch of deer, pigs, and exotics with them. Their performance on stuff up to 500lbs doesn't inspire me to think they would be a top pick for an elk bullet. I don't like the idea of elk shoulders at 500 yards with a sgk. Will they work? Yeah probably but there's definitely better bullets for the elk. I would personally prefer to shoot something a little tougher I'm guessing you might not know that Sierra makes certain bullets with Jackets that are double the thickness of some of there more frangible bullets. The Sierra conundrum is largely due to folks picking the wrong bullet for the task at hand
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I would chose the 308 given your bullet choices.
A different bullet in the 25 would make it more appealing.
But, I wouldn't choose a 100gr for deer,
And prefer a 30 caliber to 25.
JMHO
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I have a rancher friend and another that is a govt hunter... Both gave up on the .25-06 for general elk hunting.. Both have lots of experience with elk.. It wasn't that it would not kill elk, but just not quickly enough...
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I have a rancher friend and another that is a govt hunter... Both gave up on the .25-06 for general elk hunting.. Both have lots of experience with elk.. It wasn't that it would not kill elk, but just not quickly enough... This. I have had more than one elk guide tell me that if you shoot enough elk with a 25-06 you are going to loose one. The 25-06 is one of my favorites but I have never chosen it for anything larger than a cow elk. The 308 with a 165-168 Barnes or the 175 LRX would be my choice of the two for elk. The LRX may match your Sierra load with no change of sight setting if your lucky.
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A 20" 308 in Today's current atmosphere,with the 165 SGK,if only because a 175 version doesn't exist. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 2.5" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(2800fps),it has lost 1033fps at the 500yd line,for a 1767fps impact velocity,for 1144 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/P7wydr.png) The 24" 25-06 with a cookie tossed and assuming the 100 Speer BTSP at 3300fps. Hint. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 2.00" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(3300fps),it has lost 1186fps at the 500yd line,for a 2114fps impact velocity,for 992 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/FD5KU7.png) 21" Kreedmire and a 147 Factory Load at 2700fps. Hint. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 1.4" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(2700fps),it has lost but 622fps at the 500yd line,for a 2078fps impact velocity,for 1410 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/MMGATP.png) For even more extrapolation and because you CLUELESS Fhuqks are soooooooooo incredibly Stupid. 21" 7-08 with 180 ELD at 2600fps. Hint. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 1.25" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(2600fps),it has lost 537fps at the 500yd line,for a 2063fps impact velocity,for 1700 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/gGzsje.png) I get it,that you STUPID Fhuqks are doing your best and rest assured...that is the only reason it is sooooooooooo fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint. Bless your hearts for trying. Hint. LAUGHING!.....................
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A 20" 308 in Today's current atmosphere,with the 165 SGK,if only because a 175 version doesn't exist. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 2.5" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(2800fps),it has lost 1033fps at the 500yd line,for a 1767fps impact velocity,for 1144 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. The 24" 25-06 with a cookie tossed and assuming the 100 Speer BTSP at 3300fps. Hint. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 2.00" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(3300fps),it has lost 1186fps at the 500yd line,for a 2114fps impact velocity,for 992 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. 21" Kreedmire and a 147 Factory Load at 2700fps. Hint. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 1.4" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(2700fps),it has lost but 622fps at the 500yd line,for a 2078fps impact velocity,for 1410 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. For even more extrapolation and because you CLUELESS Fhuqks are soooooooooo incredibly Stupid. 21" 7-08 with 180 ELD at 2600fps. Hint. For every (1) MPH of full value 500yd wind,you yield a 1.25" shift in impact. Of the initial start velocity(2600fps),it has lost 537fps at the 500yd line,for a 2063fps impact velocity,for 1700 ft lbs if you believe in "energy". Hint. I get it,that you STUPID Fhuqks are doing your best and rest assured...that is the only reason it is sooooooooooo fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint. Bless your hearts for trying. Hint. LAUGHING!..................... Low recoil and long range retained velocity and energy advantage....whats not to like??? In all fairness though this year when you were gunning the 135 Atip I was gunning the 147 eld and had zero clue as to what you were thinking! 😁
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Trystain,
You suck a mean ass. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Your fascinating inside look at Retardation,never wanes in it's magnificent Oblivious Grandeur. You'll haveta' pardon my shooting it all and then some,as you ride your couch and lust wantonly at the Splendid Pixels.
Bless your heart for trying.
Hint.
LAUGHING!....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Trystain,
You suck a mean ass. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Your fascinating inside look at Retardation,never wanes in it's magnificent Oblivious Grandeur. You'll haveta' pardon my shooting it all and then some,as you ride your couch and lust wantonly at the Splendid Pixels.
Bless your heart for trying.
Hint.
LAUGHING!.................... Thank you, for the complement.........You are always rather generous and I look forward to our next episode of toldjaso 😁
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
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There's nothing redeeming in either chambering. Hint.
Sell both and get something good.
Re-hint.................. “Nothing redeeming in either of those cartridges”. So, what a “good one”? In your fine estimation?
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Mrs_Hairy,
Reread,take a deep breath and pen some notes. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Bless your heart for trying.
Hint.
Laughing!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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There's nothing redeeming in either chambering. Hint.
Sell both and get something good.
Re-hint.................. “Nothing redeeming in either of those cartridges”. So, what a “good one”? In your fine estimation? Wild guess here, but the 7-08 using a 180gr eldx or 6.5 kreedmire and 147 eldx.
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The answer is that the most experienced, best shot in your group should be the only one attempting a shot at that distance and then only when his or her confidence in making it were high. Caliber ? If put in the right place either would work.
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I don't see why one would compare the 25 to the 30? Put a Barnes 168 gr TTSX in the .308 using a carefully developed load. And put a more reasonable distance between you and the target. It is alive and deserves a stalk. If he takes off, well, that's hunting. Be Well. RZ
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I see an opportunity to buy another rifle  If you really want to get elk at 500 yd, improve the trajectory and ability to take heavier projectiles vs. the .308. .300 win mag or go to a .338 with long barrel or .340. Shorter range, maybe out to 300, just take the .308. As Elmer would say, leave the needle blowing coyote rifle home, lol.
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