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Okay, I finally broke down and skimmed Spomer's epistle. If you squint your eyes a bit so you can ignore his cherry-picked stats, he may have made a point or two. But even at that, it's about as useful for me as knowing whether Dakota Blue Richards or Emma Stone is better in the kitchen or bedroom. Odds are, I ain't gonna get a chance to test out the premise.
Let's not forget that like YouTube, every time you click on a webpage, you're putting pennies in someone's piggy bank directly or indirectly. Stirring up rabid fans so they feel compelled to read (and re-read) the heresy just puts more jingle in Ron's pocket, and unlike the cartridge wars of the good old days, won't result in cancelled magazine subscriptions.
Good job, Ron!
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Just got the buttered popcorn all eaten up and soda can is empty too. so here we go ! >i shot a nice whitetail buck with my 17 Remington knock him right down,i put the bullet right behind the ear . All rifle cartridges can work well its the man behind the rifle !
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This is why I gave up on the gun rags. Spomer just wanted to write an article and I bet he was motivated by the Cult of the Creed. Pretty basic human nature to skue factors to support your point, I don't begrudge it. I enjoyed the article because it kept me from rushing out and joining the Creedmoor band wagon.
With the 25-06 on one side and a 6.5x55 on the other not much wiggle room to justify the Creed at least not a 6.5. Now a 22 Creed I can but I am weary of buying bigger gun safes at the moment. Maybe Spomers next article will be how the 250AI beats the 22 Creed?
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Simple answer:
No it doesn't.
And even if it did --------it is largely irrelevant.
The hunter is 98% of the equation and the gun/cartridge is about 2%.
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Vitals Shot placement with proper bullets ends this pissing contest
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I did a little looking at the article and some online data. If you allow for dropping enough bullet weight in the 6.5 to match the BC of the cited 25 cal bullet then you're down to a 120 grain 6.5 Berger. At that point the muzzle velocity advantage of the 25-06 is nearly all gone, and since the BC's are now almost identical the cited trajectory advantage of the 25-06 is pretty much gone too. And with top loads at these bullet weights the 25-06 is burning in the neighborhood of ten grains more powder.
I think the 25-06 and 6.5 Creedmoor are both fine cartridges. I'm interested in unbiased, rational analysis which is often in short supply in these conversations. Spot on. Why is it that dispassionate analytical posts like this seem to become lost in the static? Biases, favorites, twists, latest fads and other subjective disorders tend to creep onto a lot of supposedly "factual" proclamations. It's the Campfire.
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For my 300 yards and in, point and shoot purposes a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington flinging 100 grain Ballistic Tips would be pretty nice. My 243 flinging 80 grain TTSX's fills the role this season however. It is. They even work farther out. Who knew you could kill a deer at over 500 yards with ping pong ball BCs.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Simple answer:
No it doesn't.
And even if it did --------it is largely irrelevant.
The hunter is 98% of the equation and the gun/cartridge is about 2%. ^^^^This
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I have a box of 125 gr Barnes Originals for my 250-06. I will try these in the woods this season.
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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Crap, I now know why deer laugh at me right before I shoot them with my 270 wizzzzim. I am not wearing the appropriate bedazzling glitter on my next generation camo clothing. I will now have to go internet shopping and order a whole new wardrobe. Anybody got any cool websites I can go to? They never laughed when I shot them with my 6mm, 25-06, 30-06, 7mm, 300 RUM (that one knocked the smile off their face along with mine).
Writing from the gateway to the great BluMtns in southeastern Washington.
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The mark of a hunting rifle caliber is how well it kills game at distance. Most shooters use energy as a predictable index. The 6.5 CM 147 gr eld-x is 200 lbs greater than the 25-06 11 at 200 yards. At 0ver 400 yards the 25-06 117 SST interlock is less than 1000 lbs which many consider sub par for deer;while the 6.5 CM is1428 lbs at 500 yards.
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