Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters 25-06 Beats 6.5 Creedmoor and .270!

This from an article by Ron Spomer.

https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/2...;mc_cid=c29b894b9d&mc_eid=84ca3375c6

The 25-06 shoots flatter--a lot flatter--at 600 yards than the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .270, despite the fact that most 25-06 twists are 1:10 and no one really makes a high BC bullet in .257 diameter. At 600 yards the 25-06's wind deflection is only 2.5 inches less than the Creedmoor.

Not bad for a 121 year old cartridge.

I like the 25-06, have one built by Iver Henriksen. It is a superb cartridge. The 257 Weatherby is even better.

Laffin. You must be still on the couch. Everyone knows you drooling dumfuckers don't shoot. Everyone knows deer must be shot at 700 yards and thus you're wrong. Lol

I've built several .25-06 rifles.....they all work just great and put deer down nicely. I doubles as a varmint gun as well.....It's one mighty fine cartridge

Oh Man!! I'm gonna go grab a cold beer and some popcorn....it's about to get good!!

I'll be back

news flash, most LA cartridges "beat" a Creedmoor in that sense.
Shall we compare a 25-06 to a 6.5-06?
Pretty sure a 257 Weatherby beats a 25-06.

JB wrote a piece a while back about kicking Creed butt with the .270, to 500 yards anyway. All this who-struck-john is good for popcorn sales, but that's about it. Folks have been cherry-picking this stuff for literally generations to prove a point or sell stuff.

Decide what matters most in your world: trajectory, wind drift, energy, whatever, and then futz around until you're happy, or just make the best of what the rifle you have can do; whichever twists your crank.

Stick that 25-06 in an AICS mag and see how it works out...if you understand that, you'll understand why the Creedmoor was developed.

Only need one shot with the 25-06, no need for a stinken AICS!

Well, just the smell of a 25/06 kills deer out to 1000 yards. It's on the internet!

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How do you reconcile the first sentence with the last?
The 25-06 is a great cartridge and does not need you're smoke n mirrors.

You do realize there are more disciplines in the shooting world than just hunting, correct?

Hahahaha good one!

I did a little looking at the article and some online data. If you allow for dropping enough bullet weight in the 6.5 to match the BC of the cited 25 cal bullet then you're down to a 120 grain 6.5 Berger. At that point the muzzle velocity advantage of the 25-06 is nearly all gone, and since the BC's are now almost identical the cited trajectory advantage of the 25-06 is pretty much gone too. And with top loads at these bullet weights the 25-06 is burning in the neighborhood of ten grains more powder.

I think the 25-06 and 6.5 Creedmoor are both fine cartridges. I'm interested in unbiased, rational analysis which is often in short supply in these conversations.

my popcorn just got buttered its early so i decided on a soda , so here`s my thought : lets put the old 243 Winchester cartridge in the mix and with the right twist barrel ,don`t forget a 243 Win. is a short action cartridge too and just a simple to buy grocery store cartridge. > man this popcorn is tasty !

There comes a time in our lives when we decide that most all of this is simply "analysis paralysis"...that which allows us to never go anywhere because we can't decide on where to go.

Are the 'orange man bad' people the same people as the 'creedmoor bad' people. The level of obsession is certainly the same.

But I didn't want another long action. 2750 & 130gr bullets are just about right for what I like to do and doing it with 20% less powder is just fine with me. Not to mention if I want to shoot bullets over 120gr. Not saying the 25-06 doesn't have a place, just saying it doesn't have a place in my safe.

Of course. Tacticool posing is far and away the most popular these days.

It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill.

Qualified expert with a M16 in 1970 at Quantico ..

Deer fall over dead when you think about a .270....That's a fact, not like the BS on the internet.

Not much said there IMHO. Your point is?

Reread Pahntr760's post until you get it..
He is not talking about shooting paper..
Just so you know I have many 6.5's including a Creed and only one 25-06, .257AI & a two 250-3000..
The 6mm and 6.5's are my favorite cals.

Oops. My mistake. I meant to write the 25-06's wind deflection is 2.5 inches MORE than the Creedmoor, not less. For hunting situations that would make no difference IMHO.

Everything pales when compared to the .270!!!!

My old friend Ron is a real s**t-stirrer, especially on his website because the more he stirs the more people look at his site, and the more he gets paid. (It's a lot like the Campfire.)

He forgets to mention several things:

The wind velocity used to calculate drift is apparently 5 mph. (I calculated the same basic bullet/velocity choices, and that became apparent.) At 10 mph, the advantage for the 6.5 CM is more like 5 inches at 600 yards. Plus, a much higher BC bullet always reduces the effects of wind-judging error.

Shooting "flatter" can be useful up to around 500 yards, but to make sure hits beyond 500 you'd better be twisting the elevation turret. Which makes a flatter trajectory beside the point.

At 600 yards the .25-06 has under 1000 foot-pounds of energy, the 6.5 CM bullet around 15% more. This may or may not be relevant, but the advantage goes to the 6.5.

He also neglects to mention how accurate 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo typically is in even inexpensive rifles. I have considerable experience with the .25-06, and factory ammo may or may not be very accurate in a particular rifle. (The same applies to the .270, with which I have even more considerable experience.)

Again, this does not mean I am a major advocate of the 6.5 Creedmoor over the .25-06 or .270, or any other hunting cartridge in that class. But I can recognize s**t stirring when it appears on the Internet, especially when the facts are carefully chosen (or left out) to appeal to certain readers.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a 700 Classic in 250 Savage that will be one of the fair weather pop guns. It would be fun to get the biggest buck from my camp with the smallest cartridge used. Give the 7mm and 300 mag guys something to think about.

+2

For myself personal I've formed a bigger appreciation for cartridges that will get the job accomplished without burning out the barrel at such a rapid pace.

Give me a 6.5 in a moderate sized case every day of the week! I think I'd be exceptionally pleased with a 7mm-08 or 308 as well

I'm in the same boat. Hell, even my goat fugged 10 twist .243 works just fine. Some guys are apparently just too dense to understand that what benefits a different cartridge/ bullet may offer at 5 or 600 yards is of no consequence to me at all. Oh but it'll drift less and hit with more energy at any range they'll say. YAWWWWN.

I don't own a 25-06 but if I was deer hunting anywhere in the U.S. and had a 25-06 in my hands loaded with 100 grain Nosler Ballistic tips or Partitions, I'd feel pretty well equipped.

Ron

No flies on the 25-06 but you're not going to get me to give up my creedmoor.

Shucks, in the -06 case... everyone knows the 280 rules them all... and the 280 is a short action compared to the 50 BMG...

best of both worlds... edges the other -06s by a nose and "short action"

280 wins.

Just as long as you don't consider a barrel burner a fly 😁 I'll take a 6.5 Creedmoor as well over a 25/06

One of those "short action" 50 bmg 280's would make a nice cartridge as well considering it's been necked up beyond 25/06" blow torch" stage 😂😁

For my 300 yards and in, point and shoot purposes a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington flinging 100 grain Ballistic Tips would be pretty nice. My 243 flinging 80 grain TTSX's fills the role this season however.

That's the secret ! shhhhh


Jerry

Yes, AND



This too. For myself it's 400 yd. point and shoot. No ranging, No read chart, No twist dials. Point & Shoot.

The 270 W, 130s @ 3100 fps and

The 7 RM, 140s @ 3200-3300 fps serve me very well.


I know I don't shoot 400 yds very often but it CAN and HAS happened. I'm prepared.


I have a 6mm Rem and 6.5X55 (in M 70 FTWT with a moderate throat). They're close but not the same. FOR ME.


Jerry

An ADDENDUM -

I don't shoot factory ammo. I handload. The only factory ammo I've bought in YEARS has been

270 W in 2007 when my stuff was packed up.

300 WM in 2008 and just bought the rifle on OPENING day of our Deer Season. Sighted in on Mon and killed my biggest bodied buck on Tuesday with that gun.


Jerry

Do it !!!

I put away my .308 years ago, now it's all been .243 & 25-06 !

So, so much to like here !

What a stud. I bet you get sick of folks asking for your autograph whenever you're out in public.

Yup... the old Carp on this site are quick to that sort of bait.

Yep, and on any other Internet site!

Mostly, people faces when they see a dude running a gay 270 Win. 😂😎

I prefer the WSM 270 for its super-gayness, mucho more. 😎

Don’t give it up, get a 25-06, you can not have too many rifles!!!

Shoot what you like and who cares what beats what? They all work.

Oh man, really? I just got a used M70 stainless .270 WSM for a great price in an Albuquerque gun store. I had no idea it was super-gay. And the sh*t is I already ordered dies, shellholder, and cases too. Dang.
At least I have got my trusty old Mauser 25-06 as a backup if I get taunted in camp.

Proceeding with caution,
Rex

Now that’s a sexy thing...What is it Roy? 😎

Already beat you to one....I snagged a Nosler Liberty 270 WSM last year. All that changed since owning it, is my hunting wardrobe now includes sequins.

Be advised! 😂😎

The 25-06 was designed in 1898?

Beaver that's one of those inefficient old broke down long action cartridges that falls to the earth shortly after passing the 50 yard line, completely out of steam. It's been around so long it is no longer a viable cartridge. The bullets that come out of that thing act like a Little Caesars box upon leaving the barrel. They hit with the force of a nerf ball. You've probably never heard of it.

Kimber Select 25/06. Bought it here when the previous owner was told it was worthless because the bullets aren't any good.

I continually hear reference made to the wonderful 270 Winchester as a “Gay” cartridge. What’s that all about? I know a small army of hunters who use the cartridge and such a comment made in camp near them might just ruin your hunt!

Roy,
Did you miss the thread claiming the 25-06 beat the Creedmoor and 270?

It’s said a lot, and only meant as a compliment to the bejeweled accessories those that use one wear...Grins 😂😎

You're in denial.

Finally someone with some common sense!!!! It doesn't matter that the 6.5X55 Swede beats all three of these cartridges! 😁

I have used the 25/06 on Bull Elk and moose( np's) in my twenties, the .308 I have need of and the Creedmoor no purpose for.
I feel any 30/06 fan, will like the 25/06 alot, for different reasons. My 700 shoots bugholes for me on paper, recoils little, It is still the most accurate rifle I own.
I don't mind a guy stirring it up in a gun page.

Okay, I finally broke down and skimmed Spomer's epistle. If you squint your eyes a bit so you can ignore his cherry-picked stats, he may have made a point or two. But even at that, it's about as useful for me as knowing whether Dakota Blue Richards or Emma Stone is better in the kitchen or bedroom. Odds are, I ain't gonna get a chance to test out the premise.

Let's not forget that like YouTube, every time you click on a webpage, you're putting pennies in someone's piggy bank directly or indirectly. Stirring up rabid fans so they feel compelled to read (and re-read) the heresy just puts more jingle in Ron's pocket, and unlike the cartridge wars of the good old days, won't result in cancelled magazine subscriptions.

Good job, Ron!

Just got the buttered popcorn all eaten up and soda can is empty too. so here we go ! >i shot a nice whitetail buck with my 17 Remington knock him right down,i put the bullet right behind the ear . All rifle cartridges can work well its the man behind the rifle !

This is why I gave up on the gun rags. Spomer just wanted to write an article and I bet he was motivated by the Cult of the Creed. Pretty basic human nature to skue factors to support your point, I don't begrudge it. I enjoyed the article because it kept me from rushing out and joining the Creedmoor band wagon.

With the 25-06 on one side and a 6.5x55 on the other not much wiggle room to justify the Creed at least not a 6.5. Now a 22 Creed I can but I am weary of buying bigger gun safes at the moment. Maybe Spomers next article will be how the 250AI beats the 22 Creed?

Simple answer:

No it doesn't.




And even if it did --------it is largely irrelevant.





The hunter is 98% of the equation and the gun/cartridge is about 2%.

Vitals Shot placement with proper bullets ends this pissing contest

Spot on. Why is it that dispassionate analytical posts like this seem to become lost in the static?

Biases, favorites, twists, latest fads and other subjective disorders tend to creep onto a lot of supposedly "factual" proclamations. It's the Campfire.

It is. They even work farther out. Who knew you could kill a deer at over 500 yards with ping pong ball BCs.

The B-29 beats them all.

^^^^This

I have a box of 125 gr Barnes Originals for my 250-06.
I will try these in the woods this season.

Crap, I now know why deer laugh at me right before I shoot them with my 270 wizzzzim. I am not wearing the appropriate bedazzling glitter on my next generation camo clothing. I will now have to go internet shopping and order a whole new wardrobe. Anybody got any cool websites I can go to? They never laughed when I shot them with my 6mm, 25-06, 30-06, 7mm, 300 RUM (that one knocked the smile off their face along with mine).

The mark of a hunting rifle caliber is how well it kills game at distance. Most shooters use energy as a predictable index. The 6.5 CM 147 gr eld-x is 200 lbs greater than the 25-06 11 at 200 yards. At 0ver 400 yards the 25-06 117 SST interlock is less than 1000 lbs which many consider sub par for deer;while the 6.5 CM is1428 lbs at 500 yards.