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Some where on the web there is video of a 300 Win vs 45-70 on filled milk jugs. The 300 Win knocks out something like 4 jugs. The 45-70 takes out something like 18 to 20.

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This is only a personal opinion so please don't take it the wrong way! I hunted with a 45/70 for 6 years. It kicked hard as fhuqk on the shoulder and and didn't kill proportional on the muzzle end IMO. In fact I absolutely learned to hate the damn thing. I've lost 2 animals in my life and both were shot with a 45/70. When I think of the cartridge I almost hurl at the thought of the 2 deer I lost!

Other cartridges I have mainly hunted with are the 7X57, 6.5X55 swede, 270 win, 30/06, 243, 6mm rem, 223. I would much prefer any one of those and consider results to be spectacular compared to my 45/70 experience! If your a fan of cartridges that kick like a fucquing mule get a 45/70! YMMJ

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Originally Posted by Trystan
This is only a personal opinion so please don't take it the wrong way! I hunted with a 45/70 for 6 years. It kicked hard as fhuqk on the shoulder and and didn't kill proportional on the muzzle end IMO. In fact I absolutely learned to hate the damn thing. I've lost 2 animals in my life and both were shot with a 45/70. When I think of the cartridge I almost hurl at the thought of the 2 deer I lost!

Other cartridges I have mainly hunted with are the 7X57, 6.5X55 swede, 270 win, 30/06, 243, 6mm rem, 223. I would much prefer any one of those and consider results to be spectacular compared to my 45/70 experience! If your a fan of cartridges that kick like a fucquing mule get a 45/70! YMMJ


Were you using lower power loads or, "hopped up" loads?

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I don't have as much experience as most of you, one deer with my 45-70. I've had the rifle for a while and it's very accurate with this load= 43 gr of 3031, Hornady 300gr hp. Not a hot load and I don't know the velocity, guess maybe around 1400fps? Would not think anything else heavier is needed for deer. Bullet was not recovered. For bigger animals maybe a heavier bullet, but I would think this load would not have problem.
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Originally Posted by memtb
Hard cast, wide metplat, 410 to 440 (or so) grains, pushed to 1600 to 1800 fps. That should work well for most applications! memtb


This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ advice is on the money for large/heavy game animals. For smaller game and flatter trajectories use a 300gr 2,000 ft/sec.

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Originally Posted by SS336
I don't have as much experience as most of you, one deer with my 45-70. I've had the rifle for a while and it's very accurate with this load= 43 gr of 3031, Hornady 300gr hp. Not a hot load and I don't know the velocity, guess maybe around 1400fps? Would not think anything else heavier is needed for deer. Bullet was not recovered. For bigger animals maybe a heavier bullet, but I would think this load would not have problem.
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This the same rifle ( straight stock, First Run) my friend has used as his saddle gun. He used to pack in groups deep into Yellowstone, never had to shoot a bear. He is the guy who loads nothing but the Hornady 350RN, around 1800-1900. He likes the way it puts a Silver Dollar hole through Mule deer/elk. smile

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The one that was at the top of the list for our tests, both in the lab and in the field was the LBT WFN -GC bullet shot at around 1550 FPS. It was not uncommon for this load to exit raking shots on moose and buffalo. The bullets would break any bone, pelvises, femurs and shoulder bones with no problem at all, and most times continue in a pretty straight line. Wound channels were far larger in diameter then you would expect, as large as most soft-nose bullets, and WAY deeper. I could find no down-side to them. For the cost of about 2 boxes of premium ammo you can buy the mold from LBT in Moyie Springs Idaho, and a sizer for your press from LEE Precision. LBT "Soft" lube is outstanding. Hornady makes the gas checks

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Originally Posted by szihn
The one that was at the top of the list for our tests, both in the lab and in the field was the LBT WFN -GC bullet shot at around 1550 FPS. It was not uncommon for this load to exit raking shots on moose and buffalo. The bullets would break any bone, pelvises, femurs and shoulder bones with no problem at all, and most times continue in a pretty straight line. Wound channels were far larger in diameter then you would expect, as large as most soft-nose bullets, and WAY deeper. I could find no down-side to them. For the cost of about 2 boxes of premium ammo you can buy the mold from LBT in Moyie Springs Idaho, and a sizer for your press from LEE Precision. LBT "Soft" lube is outstanding. Hornady makes the gas checks


What was the weight of the bullet?

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The one we had the best results from was the 440 grain in our 45-70s. Any of them were good from 380 to 500, but the 440 give the best cavitation along with superb penetration at the velocities that were most sensible. As with any custom made mold you can have almost any weight you'd like, but a 440 grain .458" with a Wide-Flat Nose LBT profile and gas check base was wonderful, requiring no modification to the Marlin rifles or any single shot we used them in. It gave MOA accuracy with the loads the single shots liked, and around 1.2 to 1.4 MOA from most Marlins. Some did even better.

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I have taken a variety of game with my Guide Gun including a 6x6 bull elk two weeks ago. My bullet of choice would be the Swift A-Frame, either a handload or the premium ammo from Swift or several other boutique ammo makers. Having said that, I used the 325-grain FTX to take my bull this year but it did take three rounds behind the shoulder before he dropped.

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Originally Posted by memtb
Hard cast, wide metplat, 410 to 440 (or so) grains, pushed to 1600 to 1800 fps. That should work well for most applications! memtb


I had a Marlin 1895 for a while, and it seemed to perform well with a 420 gn bullet, hard cast, polymer coated and gas-check, loaded to about 1800 fps.One of these went through a sambar deer end to end, and others accounted for various water buffalo. Recoil was noticeable though.

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Originally Posted by Cascade
What are your thoughts and experiences with the 45/70 for bigger game, like elk, moose, bear, bigger bear at modest ranges ?

I've only killed deer with my 45/70, and of course it worked just fine. But... for bigger, heavier game, what's your choice and why?

Commercial ammo, or handloads, either way.

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Love the voice of experience, but also very interested in well-reasoned opinions.

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With a scoped Marlin such as yours, I'd go with my old load using a 525gr Beartooth Pile Driver bullet over enough RL-7 powder for 1744 fps, a real smashing load in many more ways than one, I took a chainsaw, axe and a big knife along with a tractor loader bucket with chains and shot a dead bull at every conceivable angle, the only bullets recovered were shot prone into the bulls hams, they were both found in the front chest cavity in what looked like a 55 gallon blood soup bucket, I was more than thankful I pulled that little experiment in 30 ish degree weather, I guesstimated the bull to weigh around 1700 lbs at the time of his death.


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"Vic's rule of big-bore hunting" will apply with that load of Gunner's.

1. Carefully acquire the target, be sure of your sight picture.

2. Again, carefully squeeze trigger so as not to disturb aforementioned sight picture.

3. Fire the round.

4. First one who gets back up, wins.........

5. You may feel like you lost, but you didn't...(grin)

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Has the rate of twist not been a factor (e.g. in bullet stability and accuracy)? We've been talking about shooting bullets from 300 grains to 535 grains. Will the Marlin M1895 handle this range of bullet weights equally well? Seems to me when Winchester came out with the .45/90 they designed it around a 300 grain bullet and changed the rate of twist (from what had been used in the .45/70 shooting 400 and 500 grain bullets).

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20" twist is pretty much the standard and it works for all.


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Back before all of my shoulder surgeries, my go-to load was 57 grains of 3031 shoving a 350 grain Hornady round nose. It was obnoxiously accurate in my Guide Gun. If I were to go after big bears today I'd opt for the 350 grain Swift A-Frame with the 57 grains of 3031.

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Originally Posted by Trystan
This is only a personal opinion so please don't take it the wrong way! I hunted with a 45/70 for 6 years. It kicked hard as fhuqk on the shoulder and and didn't kill proportional on the muzzle end IMO. In fact I absolutely learned to hate the damn thing. I've lost 2 animals in my life and both were shot with a 45/70. When I think of the cartridge I almost hurl at the thought of the 2 deer I lost!

Other cartridges I have mainly hunted with are the 7X57, 6.5X55 swede, 270 win, 30/06, 243, 6mm rem, 223. I would much prefer any one of those and consider results to be spectacular compared to my 45/70 experience! If your a fan of cartridges that kick like a fucquing mule get a 45/70! YMMJ


I've hunted with some of the cartridges you mention, a lot with the .223 and (my favorite) the 6.5X55. None of them kill any better than the others and none of them kill any better than the ..45-70. I've killed as many deer with the .45-70 as anything I hunt with. I will flat out tell you, if you lost deer with the .45-70 it's because you didn't shoot them right. Period. From the tone of your post I would guess you flinched and shot badly. The bottom line being, if you lost deer shot with a .45-70 it's your fault and not a fault of the caliber.


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Buffalo don't like the .45-70.


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