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I know that no .30 Cal is considered a stopping round, but I am curious. What would be "considered" the best bullet ( make, weight, design) that a man in bear country could put in his 300 Mag ( any of them)? I'm not going, ha, but I know plenty folks use a 300 Mag as an "all around" rifle, especially in country where elk and similar bigger animals are. My self, I'm thinking a big Woodleigh or a big Mono. Anyone ever used a 300 mag to "stop" an aggressive grizzly or even a Brown?

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Used a 300WM as my primary back-up when guiding. In those days I used Partitions.

Today it would be 168gr TTSX. I have almost exclusively been using the 165gr TTSX in the 30-06 for quite a few years and would not hesitate to use it for big bears.


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The 200 grain Nosler Partition worked great for me on a brown bear in Alaska, and many others consider it a superb choice. It shoots pretty flat, too.

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Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
The 200 grain Nosler Partition worked great for me on a brown bear in Alaska, and many others consider it a great choice. It shoots pretty flat, too.


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Where did you get the idea that "no .30 caliber round is considered a stopping round"?

If that's the case, just use multiples rounds, being sure the first one gets its attention. smile


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I read it on the Internet! lol From reading stuff through the years I suppose. I know I would use whatever is in my hands but was curious on the 300WM. I like Woodleighs, but have only worked up a load for a 24" 30-06 and the 240RN that went 2400fps. I sold the rifle before I got to shoot a big hog with it. I also shot a lot of Nosler 200PTs and Sierra 200SBT in the 30-06. Killed a 300# hog with the Partition. Perfection. I figure in the 300WM, a similar bullet would work swell. I've shot a lot of big Plains game with the 300WM and the older Barnes 180xbt. Never recovered a bullet either. (Kudu, Blue Wildebeast, zebra all elk size), Red hartebeest (caribou size), Blesbuck (mule deer size) Impala and Springbuck ( Southern whitetail sized) and the big Namibian Gemsbuck (spike elk size) We used other calibers but the 300WM/180xbt was used a lot. For us, it was a great all around caliber. I figured many folks shoot those big bears with them?

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I believe the .300 Win. Mag. is the most popular round in Alaska and I know more hunters using it or the WSM version then any other round. I doubt any of them would buy a bigger caliber for a big bear hunt as most bigger caliber guns are heavier and Alaskan hunters are always trying to keep their carrying weight down on their equipment.

Most of them use a 180 grain Barnes X of some flavor or a 200 grain Nosler Partition. Just get close and shoot your big bear and shoot him again and if he is still moving keep shooting and feeding the gun.

When the great 30-06 first showed up it was highly sought after for big critters. All the .300's do is extend the range a bit, but big bears should not be taken at long range in my opinion.

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Long range shooting of dangerous game never made sense to me. But I grew up in the thickets of East, Texas. Everything was close there, ha. It took me 20yrs to get a shot at 276 steps down a pipeline at a buck! I figured there were a lot of 300s in use up there, thanks for the reply Pard!

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I have no experience with these on bears, only elk, but I would give some consideration to the 200 grain Swift A-Frame.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Used a 300WM as my primary back-up when guiding. In those days I used Partitions.

Today it would be 168gr TTSX. I have almost exclusively been using the 165gr TTSX in the 30-06 for quite a few years and would not hesitate to use it for big bears.


Can't disagree, I'd even consider the 180 TTSX, no heavier than 180 for sure in the TTSX or TSX



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No 180 partitions for sure...


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The 30-06 was the simple most popular Alaskan guide rifle for many years and was plenty for the world record Kodiak bear. Having killed a few big bears myself using 200 and 220 gr Partitions with it I know for a fact it will do the job.
And the 300 Mag throws the same bullets a little faster.

As Sitka points out, even stout bullets like the 168 gr TSX should work just as well .


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Any more opinions on the 200 Swift A Frames for this use? I'm planning on using them for elk in grizzly country so just curious if anyone's used them from a 300WM on grizzlies or brown bears.


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I'm still a Nosler guy, and I'm also big on heavy per caliber bullet. For a 300 WM or even a 30-06 the 200 grain Nosler Partition is a good bullet.


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My sample of one charging brown bear died from 300 Wby & 180 gr. Barnes-X (pre-TSX). First shot rolled her down a small hill at about ~ 5 yds (or less). She was up and running away and my second shot at 50-ish yards put her down.


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That is close:)


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Stopping power comes from bullet placement and performance


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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I'm still a Nosler guy, and I'm also big on heavy per caliber bullet. For a 300 WM or even a 30-06 the 200 grain Nosler Partition is a good bullet.

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I was all in with Nosler for many, many years... Then I got to looking at the big box of recovered bullets after reading the studies of the importance of exit wounds... I could relate the studies to my findings quite nicely.

But after a fairly large number of monometal shots I have found a different mantra. I want two holes per shot, every time.

NPs kill nicely, but the ability to find the dying bear is very big to me.


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Originally Posted by 458Win
Stopping power comes from bullet placement and performance


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Late to join this conversation, but just wanted to offer experience of loving both the Nos. Part. and Barnes X: I have used the former on many animals and was my go to for "big." I started moose hunting in an area with some decent size grizzly and one big one we saw regularly. The first year, I recovered partitions from my first moose (two rounds broadside) and they'd lost more than half their weight, I started looking elsewhere. I started using the early 180 X bullets in 1993. In the moose that I shot after that, only one Barnes was ever recovered. It was quartering away and uphill. The shot hit the left rear "knee" joint, passed upward breaking the last rib, crossing the lungs, hitting the ball joint at the shoulder and turning slightly forward lodging under the skin. It traveled through two massive bone and nearly 7ft of animal and retained over 90% of it's weight. Nothing wrong with the Noslers, but bullet technology has come a long way. Partition design is more than a half century old. While I still have partitions on my shelf, for tough or mean or big, I'd always go with X.

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