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Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14201998 10/14/19
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Remington6MM Campfire Tracker R Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,293 Bothell, Washington	They both lost? I'd rather die in a BAD gunfight than a GOOD nursing home.

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Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common Remington6MM #14202059 10/14/19
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RickyD Campfire 'Bwana R Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 46,965 Iowa	The past is just that, and it only repeats itself because we are human and flawed, not because we forget it. We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth? Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202078 10/14/19
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44mc Campfire Regular 4 Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 2,914 north east fla	people have ben killing other people for as long as people have been alive .it aint going to stop tell there is no people to kill other people

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202083 10/14/19
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Limapapa Campfire Member Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 482 Colorado	Try reading Empire of the Summer Moon by S.C.Gwynne about the history of the Comanches in West Texas. Unlike the northern Sioux and to a lesser extent the Arizona Apaches, and the eastern tribes of Cherokees, Algonquins, etc. who had earmarks of civilization despite their warring culture, the Comanches were the most ruthless killers of the plains, with little to recommend them except for their horsemanship. Puts a whole different perspective on the term "noble savage."

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common baxterb #14202094 10/14/19
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smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by baxterb Yes, the same generals and soldiers who were so concerned about freeing a subjugated people went west and summarily slaughtered then subjugated people. In Other words, neither was about the subjugated people, it was all about nation building. Worth repeating. A wise man is frequently humbled.

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Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common stevelyn #14202134 10/14/19
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Oldman03 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15,874 N. La.	Originally Posted by stevelyn What the US did to the Native tribes is reprehensible. What the CS did to try and retain human enslavement is reprehensible. Both populations still bear the scars and stigma of their past. Just remember that the democraps were the enemy then and they are the enemy now. The north didn't care if the south had slaves, they just wanted the south to keep funding the federal government. The south started dealing directly with England and France, thus cutting out the middle man, ie, the north. Thus the north started losing money. That was the cause of the Civil War. Added: I'm not saying the slavery was right, it wasn't. But the north didn't care if the south had slaves. It was all about money and states rights. Last edited by Oldman3; 10/14/19. Old Turd- Deplorable- Unrepentant Murderer- Domestic Violent Extremist Just "Campfire Riffraff and Trash" This will be my last post! Flave 1/3/21

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202136 10/14/19
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Hastings Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 12,960 Trichell, LA (Pop. 'bout 15)	How would you govern a country that had nomadic killers roaming the countryside at will stealing and killing? Well armed and well horsed at that. The U.S. government had to establish civil order and wasn't about to leave the country unprotected from the "merciless Indian savage". I don't see much similarity between the Indians and the confederates. Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common kenjs1 #14202190 10/14/19
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old_willys Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 8,659 back home in Potter Co. PA	Originally Posted by kenjs1 so......Happy Columbus Day ! +1 Ted

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202231 10/14/19
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watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak	Quote .the Indians were here to begin with, and earned "squatters rights". Savages, nothing more; but they did have something in common with the rebs- they both fought with sticks. Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202234 10/14/19
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Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,873 Deer Park, Tx	They both wanted to be left alone. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

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Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202236 10/14/19
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Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common Reloder28 #14202246 10/14/19
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watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak	Originally Posted by Reloder28 They both wanted to be left alone. Both wanted to trade; so that's not the truth. Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

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260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,119 OMAHA	Originally Posted by Oldman3 Originally Posted by stevelyn What the US did to the Native tribes is reprehensible. What the CS did to try and retain human enslavement is reprehensible. Both populations still bear the scars and stigma of their past. Just remember that the democraps were the enemy then and they are the enemy now. The north didn't care if the south had slaves, they just wanted the south to keep funding the federal government. The south started dealing directly with England and France, thus cutting out the middle man, ie, the north. Thus the north started losing money. That was the cause of the Civil War. Added: I'm not saying the slavery was right, it wasn't. But the north didn't care if the south had slaves. It was all about money and states rights. I think that for the average Union soldier it was mostly about avenging the attack on Fort Sumter and preserving the Union. If McClellan had been half the General that Grant was, he would have defeated the Army of Northern Virginia during the Peninsula Campaign and captured Richmond in 1962, thus shortening the War and saving tens of thousands of lives on both sides. Or so it seems to me. Nothing anyone who is alive today does or says will change the outcome of something that ended over 150 years ago. You can play "what if" all you want, but it doesn't change a single thing.

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202273 10/14/19
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Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321	Originally Posted by JamesJr I have just finished reading "The Earth Is Weeping", a book abut the Indian wars in the American West. Very good book. So, the title of the thread......what did the CSA and the Indians have in common........they both got screwed over big time by the US government. Anyway you cut it, the Indians got the shaft. They were lied to, cheated, pushed, shoved, murdered, starved, and screwed to the limit. Yeah, I know, the Americans just did to them what they did to another tribe......right? No.....the Indians were here to begin with, and earned "squatters rights". The White man wanted their country, so he took it. The same Yankee generals that screwed the South.....Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and Custer also did the same to the Indians, hence the connection. They burned and starved them out just as they did the South......all in name of righteousness and justice. At least that's the way I see it. The American Civil War was the second American Revolution. America lost.

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common Bristoe #14202287 10/14/19
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Gus Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 26,337 south of grinder's switch	there's ideologies, and there's technologies. technology is hard to beat. when an idea's time has come, it's hard to beat. lock together a good ideology and a good technology, and get ready to pay taxes.

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202300 10/14/19
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kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,599 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas	Gus, Don’t forget those pesky germs!!! Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common kaywoodie #14202306 10/14/19
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AcesNeights Campfire Ranger A Joined: May 2008 Posts: 25,430 Valhalla SE AK & WA	Originally Posted by kaywoodie Gus, Don’t forget those pesky germs!!! ...or steel or guns. 😉 �Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr. --------------------------------------------------------- ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common AcesNeights #14202315 10/14/19
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kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,599 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas	Originally Posted by AcesNeights Originally Posted by kaywoodie Gus, Don’t forget those pesky germs!!! ...or steel or guns. 😉 He,d pretty much covered them with his technologies comment! 😉 Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common kaywoodie #14202318 10/14/19
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Gus Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 26,337 south of grinder's switch	Originally Posted by kaywoodie Gus, Don’t forget those pesky germs!!! indeed, dear Friend, indeed! some would suggest the best defense we humans have against the invasionary aliens is our microbes on urth who travel with us. i'll have to defer to mtnsnake as to how this defensive manuever will be applied. humans trying to adapt to living on the urth, and flies, mosquitos, chiggers, and endless disease attempting to wipe us out. and in our guts we have allied forces traveling with us, and defending us as we conquer new country. ideas & technology, when allied will become pretty much unstoppable??

Re: What Did The Confederate States And The Indians Had In Common JamesJr #14202321 10/14/19
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Slavek Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,187	Originally Posted by JamesJr I have just finished reading "The Earth Is Weeping", a book abut the Indian wars in the American West. Very good book. So, the title of the thread......what did the CSA and the Indians have in common........they both got screwed over big time by the US government. Anyway you cut it, the Indians got the shaft. They were lied to, cheated, pushed, shoved, murdered, starved, and screwed to the limit. Yeah, I know, the Americans just did to them what they did to another tribe......right? No.....the Indians were here to begin with, and earned "squatters rights". The White man wanted their country, so he took it. The same Yankee generals that screwed the South.....Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and Custer also did the same to the Indians, hence the connection. They burned and starved them out just as they did the South......all in name of righteousness and justice. At least that's the way I see it. The United States was built on exploitation of Native Americans who were here when the Europeans arrived and Africans who were brought here as slaves.

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