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The Norse got here first ,tho some say the Egyptians did.

I guess the Indians didn’t discover it?

not to throw a monkey wrench into the workings, but likely the siberians from east asia discovered america.

then columbus, and maybe even ol leif, and maybe a few egyptians also landed and claimed america as their own.

i like the idea of discovering america, but the idea of invading america is really something to talk about in some detail.

there were already folks here from the siberian countryside; and maybe from extreme south america from polynesia?

i don't know. all i know is what i was told in public school to memorize, to learn, and to use the info to pass a gov't test.

we all must remember that the responsibility of the winners of a Great Battle is that they have to write the memoirs of the effort.

The ancestors of the the people we refer to as Indians certainly did not discover North America. There were Europeans here prior to them (Solutreans / Clovis), but they weren't the first either.

Interesting from an anthropological standpoint but entirely moot as it regards who has a claim to the place today.

the people who claim the land are the folks who have the technology, ideology, and the votes that allow them to do so.

Flipping funny...

Great show, I remember watching it every week as a kid.

?? People got here prior to the Siberians coming to Alaska? Who? First I have heard of this. Have any cites to sources? This is interesting, would like to read more about it. I thought the established school of thought was Siberians, then Norse, then Columbus, with unproven speculation about Polynesians and Irish and possibly Chinese visits sprinkled somewhere in the timeline. If an archeological team has proven landfall prior to Siberians, I'd like to read about it. Thanks.

To the victors goes the history.

Honestly who gives a rats ass. We built it...and that can’t be argued.

God has a plan...that’s all I know

Dunno why the libs are all pissed off at Columbus.

He brought diversity to the Americas.

Diversity is supposed ta be good.

And PIZZA ! 😜

The Indians didn't discover it first. the nurse did,

Genetic data shows 80% of native American Indians are actually direct descendants of the Clovis.

2017, evidence of people living in a cave system Yukon Territory western Canada, [Bluefish Caves], may indicate
they left Siberia and arrived at Beringia some 24,000 yrs ago.

but then came Noah and the great biblical flood, right?

And 98% of statistics are made up on the spot...

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170328-the-first-people-who-populated-the-americas

quote] BBC:

the people who arrived in the Americas – when the ice finally retreated and allowed entry – were genetically different to the individuals
who had left Siberia thousands of years earlier. "Arguably one of the most important parts of the process is what happened in Beringia.
That's when they differentiated from Asians and started becoming Native Americans," says Connie Mulligan of the University of Florida
https://anthro.ufl.edu/mulligan/

quote]

In 2015, a study using more advanced genetic techniques came to a similar conclusion. Rasmus Nielsen of the University of California,
Berkeley, US, and colleagues found that the "vast majority" of Native Americans must have originated from just one colonisation event.
"There's been no turnover or change in the population group as some people had previously hypothesised," says Nielsen.
In fact, about 80% of Native Americans today are direct descendants of the Clovis people,
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/349/6250/aab3884

Starman, from whence did the clovis people come, pray tell?

allus heard the polynesian bloodlines landed in the south end of south america and spread north.

the american indians met up with them down around Mexico somewheres. just hearsay, i know.

but where there's smoke there might be a bit of fire, sooner or later?

add-in the egyptians, maybe the Vikings, and others.

and when columbus arrived, death came with him.

Never heard of Clovis coming from Europe...

I dont know how much this helps you, but the second link is taken from this Rasmus Nielsen page;
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rasmus_Nielsen4

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328815661_Early_human_dispersals_within_the_Americas

scroll down Nielsens page , and you are sure to find additional genetic research of interest.

The first were the Siberians or paleo-Iindians or Clovis or whatever you want to call them. They came from Asia. They wandered in without inowing they had discovered a new continent.

There may have been other accidental landings but the first known "discovery" was the Norse, about 1000 AD. They made at least one settlement but were soon driven out. They had no lasting effect.

Columbus should get the credit for the real discovery America because his voyages had lasting effects. The "Columbian exchange" not only led to European settlement but a wide interchange of natural rexources and foodstuffs not known between the continents until then. Also diseases. European diseases, previously unknown in the Americas, wiped out almost all the Indians before the Americas were settled.