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I thought I measured it and had a few "thou" over the minimum Jess wanted. Guess I'll have to look again. Is it .100 extra. I have forgotten at this point. Be Well, Rusty.
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I have two 358WIN rifles. Ruger American from Grice and a Weatherby Vanguard via JES. Both shoot very well. Hornady factory loads a 200gr bullet . Have several boxes of old Winchester factory 200s from when I first started with a 358 BLR. My handload from the start been 225 over 748 now in Starline cases. Have started to use TAC recently. Nosler says the 200gr Ballistic Tip is too long for std mag length. Love my 358s except the BLR so it went down the road.
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Those that appreciate them are not selling.....those that do not appreciate it.....either never owned one or, already sold. It’s perhaps one of the most “underrated” short range ( less than 300 yards) cartridges around! memtb
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Small case medium bores have always performed poorly to mediocre at best in the market since the advent of nitro powder and bottleneck cases, and for good reason. There's very few people who want more bore diameter without the case to drive a reasonable sectional density bullet at a reasonable velocity. The .35 Whelen suffers from the same problem.
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There's very few people who want more bore diameter without the case to drive a reasonable sectional density bullet at a reasonable velocity. The .35 Whelen suffers from the same problem. .358's in any variety do very well on game. Magumitis abounds.
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There's very few people who want more bore diameter without the case to drive a reasonable sectional density bullet at a reasonable velocity. The .35 Whelen suffers from the same problem. .358's in any variety do very well on game. Magumitis abounds. x2! ....... Except for a lone 300H&H, I'm done with magnums. I might get another 358Win in the future. Even a lightweight old stye walnut Model Seven in 35Remington would be cool in these parts.
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I have two 358WIN rifles. Ruger American from Grice and a Weatherby Vanguard via JES. Both shoot very well. Hornady factory loads a 200gr bullet . Have several boxes of old Winchester factory 200s from when I first started with a 358 BLR. My handload from the start been 225 over 748 now in Starline cases. Have started to use TAC recently. Nosler says the 200gr Ballistic Tip is too long for std mag length. Love my 358s except the BLR so it went down the road. Joe, how's your American shootin? Bought the same one, love mine...
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Nice wart hog Ed! What was your load? Sorry for the late reply. The Barnes 200 gr TTSX pushed by 52 grs of TAC, WLR primer in Winchester 358 brass.
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I have a New Ultra light Arms Model 20 in 358 Winchester. It is perhaps the best field gun one might want. It is easy to carry, tough as nails. looks good, fits me perfectly, and shoots 3 shot cloverleafs with jacketed and cast bullets. Best hog, deer, and elk rifle I could imagine out to 300 yards. Mine has a 3" magazine which allows a long COAL. This rifle has a 21" barrel and shoots 200 grain Barns TSX bullet at 2575 fps. I have never recovered a bullet from a game animal using this load. The 358 is a lot more gun than the 308. It hits harder and shoots the same weight bullets faster (like any larger caliber on the same case. This rifle will shot my 285 LTB bullet at 2150. It ain;t pleasant in a 5# rifle so I shoot them at 1700. The real point is the rifle shoots about anything very accurately.
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IMHO: 1.You aren't going to find many for sale because the 358 never caught on and their weren't that many 358 Winchesters made. 2. The people who actually own and hunt with them are not likely to sell them because they kill like the hammer of Thor on deer and hogs. They do it with out deafening or kicking the hunter so hard that he misses . With standard cup and core bullets penetration is great! I would be perfectly happy to hunt every thing in North America with a 358.
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I had a BLR in 358 Win. It was some years ago and I did not reload at the time. Finding ammo for it pre-internet was next to impossible. I sold it for that reason and got a BLR in 308 Win.
I now have to Model 71's that I reload for 348 Win. If not for on-line brass (when you can find it) and bullets I'd not load for it either!
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These posts are bang on. I am not sure if we are talking about the chicken or egg, but it must be one or the other. 358W sre not common and neither is the ammo. I solved this problem by opening up 308 Winchester Brass with one pass through any 358 die. Magnum, Whelen, 35 Remington, even 38 special dies work. However, if ya don't reload, the 358 is probably a pass.
Isn't it ironic how some cartridges catch on and others just don't. The truth is we have way more cartridges than we have needs in the field. Rifles in one of the 22, 308, 375, and 458 physically satisfy all of the hunting "requirements." But I'm a gun nut. Where's the fun in minimalism?
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I am a fan of the 35 caliber, and have owned a good number of rifles in most of the 35 caliber cartridges you can imagine at one time or another. At the moment I have only one, a Winchester 94XTR in 356 Winchester. For the area where I live and the hunting conditions which are most commonly encountered, I find it is just about the perfect rifle/caliber combination. With bullet weights available from 180 grains up to 250 grains, or even heavier, it offers a variety of options to the handloader.. I find the180 gr and 220 gr Speer flatpoints will take care of any deer, and the 250 gr Hawk flatpoints for hogs which are very common around here, and some of which get up to pretty healthy weights. Out to 200 yds the 356 does a great job on anything I would care to shoot, and with heavier bullets it's suitable for pretty much any game animals in the US with the only exception being Brown Bears. The same is true of the 358, although if I were going to purchase another 35 caliber bolt gun, I would most likely opt for the 35 Whelen. The 35's have never gained the popularity that the 7MM and 30 caliber cartridges have, and never will. Only the 35 Remington, 358 Winchester, and 35 Whelen are still readily available, which to me is a shame. Shooters that own and use the 35's tend to keep them, as they work well. Hence their relative scarcity on the market.
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One of my favorite hunting rifles of all time was a Remington Model 7KS in .350 RM that I foolishly sold... That rifle would have also been perfect in .358. The barrel contour on that gun was perfect and can not understand that if Remington can make a .35 caliber barrel that slim why can't others. I know Firearms44 has had several custom .358s made and he can't find any maker who will do less than a #3 contour.
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My Ruger frontier 358 is a personal favorite. I think the 358 and 338 federal are two of the great calibers
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I just shot a 275 pound Russian Sow with my 358 NULA rifle. 200 grain TSX bullet at about 2550 FPS. ONe shot rulled her on the spot. Bullet went through rib, heart, exited on off shoulder. About 100 paces. Could not ask for a better, practical hunting rifle.
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Wheelerdan, you have photos? Would be sweet to see. Be Well, RZ
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