Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Alaska Is Nuge a poacher?

I don’t like the word poacher for his violation though. That’s a word that should be reserved for more serious violations. He screwed up, got caught, and paid the price. In his defense, it was a brand new law that most were not aware of.

It does aggravate me too, you get a speeding ticket and no one says much. And its a very minor infraction.

But you get any wildlife violation you are branded a poacher. A catch all word these days.

Do it mostly right or as right as you were aware of and still called a poacher... nope. I agree totally with you.

Lord knows if you could buy another tag Ted, had enough cash to go buy a second right away..

Then OTOH, how do you fill out a tag that you don't have a carcass for? Waste of game? I mean you punched your tag but you aren't bringing anything out with you. If you want to be technical.

Waiting for stuff to warm up, maybe I'll grab the book and read some.

Just remember it takes just one self righteous guy to make what was previously legal, illegal. I see proposals come up all the time of people trying to make legal practices illegal. We try to shoot them down in the local advisory committees, but some squeak by.

If anything, we need less laws.

My memory tells me it was not a new law in SE, but I could be wrong. I know when it came into Kodiak it had been the case in SE for some time...

I doubt it was leftists... I suspect any Federal Agent seeing an obvious broadcast violation of Federal law would investigate (unless it was a Clinton, of course) and do what should be done.

His claim no one else has been charged is a lie and was when he claimed it. Furthermore, AK has no record of the offense which means he was charged for Federal violations only.

I am remembering that it was the first year it was in effect. But maybe am not remembering correctly.

Sounds like minimum caliber restrictions coming this bog cycle.

Does SE AK have its own set of regulations? The reason I ask is I hunted around Nome in 2011. I read the regulations I got that year cover to cover. (Some really silly stuff in there.) I never saw a law in there that said if you draw blood your done. Maybe I missed it.

Different laws across the state for many different things, especially methods and means of hunting and fishing.

here is another stupid law in Alaska in this one area for moose hunting > if you harvest a legal bull moose you have 10 days in that area to get it registered in that division/area 10 days which includes Saturday and Sunday. well they went there on the tenth day which was a Sunday and they did not know Sunday`s that office was closed .their friend went back on Monday to register that legal bull moose and because they had to leave back to their home state that same Sunday . but the person who shot the legal bull moose had to do a court phone call with judge and received a small fined and some game law ticket. that is B.S. and no common sense that hunter should not have got a ticket or a fine period ! Nuge should not have got a ticket either ! > we should all be sticking up for the Nuge he does us all a favor by his willing to speak up for all hunters ! shame on anyone who does not support old NUGE !

If you think you are not a "poacher" by today's new interpretation (having never broken ANY nuance of ANY law by ANY warden no matter how over zealous) you either have not done much hunting or are incredibly ignorant, (quite possibly both) I wish they would hammer people who deserve it rather than play gotcha with [bleep] like the federal waterfowl baiting statute type of violator. Have you had your blaze orange checked lately for the legal "luminescence" compliance??? Did you ever take a #2 wearing bibs or waders?? How did you maintain "wearing" your orange during said dump????

The Nuge broke a game law and made money filming it !
Claiming he didn't know the law is no different than Hillary claiming she didn't know what she was doing was illegal.

Maybe, but they still broke the law and were planning on profiting from it.

If he wasn't doing this stuff for profit, I'd say give the guy a break. Nugent is a professional and plays the high profile TV super star game. The standard should be higher, the highest, really. It's not like Alaska passed the law the day before and he was already in the woods. It's not enough to claim it as an innocent mistake/oversight, not when you're representing an industry at that level. It shouldn't go without mention that Nugent's actions reflect on the rest of us hunters who are not an industry—on all of us who hunt for our own reasons.

IDGAF

It was a law that would be somewhat unusual in many other
places. Did Ted know? I give him the benefit of doubt.
He broke a law that didn't harm another human, he paid for it.
Over.

If I found that he blatantly and repeatedly poached (killing too many,
Out of season...) that would be different.

Anyway, why does this even matter.
Old, old news.

I’ll disagree, Brian.

The regs should apply equally (ir)regardless of who is affected. Nice should be no different than a resident.

The ironic part I posted above.

You mean there are only two things you dislike about him?

His face?

Honestly, I know little about him. He’s hell on a guitar apparently, I like what I e seen of his 2A stance. Don’t have cable so I’m deprived (some say depraved) otherwise.

I'm not arguing the regulations shouldn't apply to everyone equally. I'm arguing as to whether Nugent should be shown leniency in punishment, as he seems to argue in the video. Nugent also seems to blame the regulations for his predicament. The stakes are higher for Nugent, because the stakes are higher for Nugent. He shouldn't get a pass because the stakes are higher.

Regarding whether Nugent is a poacher, I'm not prepare to answer. I will say that the act of poaching in and of itself requires intent.

I’ll agree with with that.

Like you have said before, so many other things can be involved. Same with this. Like I've said that arrow may never have even hit the bear. Hell if it didn't have blood on it why did they even look. An arrow cuts flesh IE if only the broadhead, its going to have blood, hair, fat etc... on it.

I'm not saying this to brag at all, but I quit counting deer/pigs taken with archery gear in the 90s. I was only born in the 60s. I was over 100 at that point. So I have put a few arrows through, past, over, under a few animals.

Animals CAN be quick enough to divert the direction of an arrow as it enters. I've seen plenty duck/whirl/move before an arrow gets there. I've seen arrows deflect off unseen and stupidly enough, seen things.

Like I said earlier I have not even looked for the purported video.

I have seen arrows shot from higher up, aimed down, IE out of tripods and the like, end up exiting HIGHER than the entry wound. I saw one once enter what should have been a perfect basically broadside lung shot get tweaked somehow and end up breaking the neck of the deer and exiting the TOP of the neck.

All that said the argument here is not if it was illegal. It was. Plain and simple. He was wrong, and he got caught. I dont' care for Ted much. One of our nephews loves him. I don't see the attraction. Loud mouthed and so.... I BUT he was wrong, and he was caught and paid the price.

What I would have done after the fact if I was offended, is to seek the intent of the law, heck I might have had an attorney seek it before the court date. WHY is the law in effect. What is the purpose, what is the goal of such law. And follow that up with was the intent of the results broken or not. IE what I'm assuming is to prevent a lost game animal rotting in the woods and not simply going out and continuing to shoot animals until you can find/recover one. I"d say the video should have...shown the animal was not worse for wear and that a fracas with another bear would have been likely much worse of a wound. End intent would be more to change/clarify/remove said law.

That being said wildlife laws are TOUGH. We have antler restrictions in TX. Goal is to allow bucks to mature more before being harvested so we would get more does bred. IT did that. Plus a LOT of other positives to the herd down there. That said it does not allow for the harvest of older bucks that don't meet the criteria of the restrictions. IE width. If you are trash antlers passing on your DNA and you never get to 13 inches inside spread, you cannot ever be harvested/removed from the DNA pool. There is almost NO way to write the law better. Maybe but not certainly anyway. Thankfully most of the local wardens more or less say if you are sure of age, then do what you have to do and just lets not talk about it again. Makes sense to me because folks that are mindful of quality know more about their deer than the wardens do actually.

Really need to make time to read those rules if you are going to whatever area.

I know the fishing rules on the Talkeetna/Su folks would ask me. My answer is rules. I carry a book in my left back pocket and an attorney in my right back pocket. Its not quite that bad but there are a LOT of rules.. and they change from one side of the river to the other etc... one creek to the next. One goes 1/4 mile up a creek, another 2 miles, but where do you measure the start? Oh they have GPS points... LMAO but to be right you have to follow to the T. Suspect as much as I laugh about the GPS points at least they are black and white so to speak.

After all that, there isn't a single person out there that has not broken a law at some point. Not intentionally likely for most of us, but its been done. Again why folks demand to publish tons of their own stuff publicly is beyond me. Yes I put a few pics on facebook, not to brag but to show folks that cannot make the trip, whats around up here.