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The point being which knife maker goes through a more traditional and laborious process to produce a knife

Stock removal process or forging from bar stock.

The claims of the powder-steel knives is meaningless,especially since most users will never tax the ability of their knives during normal use.

Would I personally rather own a knife made by Benchmade or a Randall Made?


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Originally Posted by carbon12
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S30V from Benchmade and Buck don’t hold a candle to an S30V blade from Ingram or May. The Ingram/May will take and hold an edge significantly better and are no more difficult to sharpen when they’ve been used.


I've a Bos HT S30V Buck Kaala that has been cutting hides, meat and against bones for years. If there is a difference in performance of the steel between the Kaala and an S30V Ingram. I've not noticed.


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As with everything else, there are always exceptions to every rule. There are commercial knives that have edge performance equal to and in some cases better than custom knives, sure. But as a category, the safer bet is with the custom knife out of a high performance powder metallurgy "super stainless" with optimal heat treatment.


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Some customs have quality, beauty, & good ergonomics no doubt. But that stamp on the blade accounts for a good chunk of the price. The prestige of ownership drives a lot of the desire to pay extra, not better steels.

A knife maker has no access to better S30V than the corner job shop does. Order from a reputable co. like Crucible or Carpenter & you'll get the best available. Same goes with the quality of work done at a reputable heat treat facility, which by the way will generally have a lot better equipment & work under more & consistent controlled conditions than the custom maker performing the role in his shop.


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Olmike: Pride of ownership and appreciation for quality workmanship and beauty are the main reasons I bought my few custom knives - I have well over a hundred factory "Hunting/utility knives" - so I do not NEED any custom knives. I just enjoy owning and investing in them.
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Originally Posted by sportingspecialist


The claims of the powder-steel knives is meaningless,especially since most users will never tax the ability of their knives during normal use.



Perhaps, but a lot of users will, and the other benefit is the powder metallurgy blades are also far more corrosion resistant.


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Originally Posted by DMc
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I have one of those and the only problem I have with it is that my wife loves keeping it in the kitchen !


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Why buy a nice vehicle when the Volkswagen Golf will get you to work every day?

Why buy a custom rifle, when an out of the box Savage Axis will kill your deer every season?

Why eat a USDA prime bone-in ribeye steak when ground chuck from the supermarket will give you the same grams of protein for much less?

Why buy a custom tailored suit when coveralls from Walmart will hide your naked body just as well?

With a custom anything, you can get exactly what you want, by definition. With a mass-produced product of any kind, you're limited to whatever the manufacturer offers. In many cases, you may love the mass-produced item, but you never get a say in its design. Some people want custom items because they enjoy owning a thing that has all the features they want. Other people look at the same product as a utilitarian tool only and don't care about looks, feel, and overall design. Neither camp is "wrong."


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Originally Posted by RifleDude
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If custom knives offered anything like all the edge holding hype some of them promise then every butcher would be using them .

As in any tool, look at what the pros use


No, "every butcher" doesn't use custom knives because they are significantly more expensive and therefore don't provide a very cost-effective alternative vs. just sharpening a commercial blade.



Butchers, like every other worker who uses a tool, are concerned with performance over time.
If any of the highly touted "super blades " allowed a butcher, or taxidermist, or skinner, to cut longer and quicker than another who used an easy to sharpen blade, then they would.
But all knives get dull and need sharpening and it matters little if they hold an edge twice as long if they take three times as long to sharpen !


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I remember discussing this with Tony Marfione.He was asked by Dick Barber to provide feedback when he was developing his new S30V steel.

Most knife makers use the steel that is popular during the time of manufacture.I can remember when ATS-34 was the darling steel.Them came 154CM then 20C-V and then the newer powder steels.

Even given all of this advancement with newer steels,I still prefer to buy knives such as produced by Randall Made for some of the reasons you mentioned.There is one more reason though,resale.


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A good knife, even a custom one, is like a good fishing lure. You never really have it for a real long time, you only get to use it often for a while before you lose it. I related the story on here once about the very nice bone handled folding stock knife that my late little sister had given me once for Christmas back when we were just kids. I gutted lots of deer with that knife and it was my constant companion on every deer hunt. Then one day I felt in my pocket and it was gone. I looked for that knife for days retracing my every step because I realized then that it meant more to me than any buck I was hunting. I was devastated until the last day of the season when it rolled out from under the seat of the truck. It has been safe in my drawer ever since. Don't use what you cannot afford to lose if for only sentimental reasons.


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You buy one that is perfect then you find one more perfect- and buy it. After you have amassed a nice collection you will likely discover the first one your bought is your favorite.


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Originally Posted by DMc
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Custom or not where do I get one of these?

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I have a few custom or semi custom knives, Busse, Blind Horse, and Alaska Knife works. All are good knives and different in shape and size as well as steel. I use them all for different reasons, mostly sentiment as two were gifts. But for day in day out use my late 70’s Cammillus SS jumbo trapper gets way more mileage. It’s easier to sharpen than the AK knife works or the Busse and holds its edge longer than the Blind Horse. I’ve cut up or skinned everything from birds and fish to bears, coons, elk, and caribou with that pocketknife.

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Custom or not where do I get one of these?

They pop up on eBay once in a blue moon. Puma Model 6317

...and then there's http://northernknives.homestead.com/sweetfactory.html


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The beauty is it is literally whatever you want it to be. You pick the scales, liners, design, steel, sheath, etc. The fit/finish should be much, much higher than most factory knives. I became interested in them when I saw the edge retention on a buddy’s vs the factory knife I was using. Been hooked ever since

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Originally Posted by DMc
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Due to their perfect simplicity, the Puma forestestmaster and the Case Yaughtsman knives have always been two of my favorites.
My daily wear knife is either a custom copy of the case built by a friend, or one of the old Gerber minimags. I have worn out half a dozen of those.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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Thinking of getting one , although i have several knives that will fillet or skin/gut any critter thus far .

What is the draw to them ? beauty ? unbeatable edge holding quality ? ergonomics ?




The draw is the illusion that you are possessing something personal, yours alone.

Reality is that they are no advantage over a decent butcher's knife.



Added, don't get me wrong, I am a sucker for nice knives...but I do not lie to myself.


Good post. (Others do.)


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Originally Posted by 5sdad
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Thinking of getting one , although i have several knives that will fillet or skin/gut any critter thus far .

What is the draw to them ? beauty ? unbeatable edge holding quality ? ergonomics ?




The draw is the illusion that you are possessing something personal, yours alone.

Reality is that they are no advantage over a decent butcher's knife.



Added, don't get me wrong, I am a sucker for nice knives...but I do not lie to myself.


Good post. (Others do.)


I'll agree with this! Additionally, maintaining an edge versus re-sharpening an edge makes a huge difference in edge retention.

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Any of you guys familiar? I love them. Very sharp and they do hold an edge..

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Some folks like one of a kind artifacts of the artisans skill, some folks appreciate the simplicity of form following function.

If'n I had my druthers I'd get in the way back machine and get a couple or three Gerber A400's, maybe a Flayer (skinner) as well. Only armorhide I have now is a little Pixie bought after they had discontinued that line. Simple, highly functional and utilitarian, does everything a knife should be asked to do. And for a straight forward working knife they sure appreciated in value. Original armorhides in good condition fetch way over $100 and some much more than that these days.


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