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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
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Interesting what WM has to say about treated down......
"... Although I've used the bag, I have not really been in the kind of weather to make a determination as to how effective it will be in extremely wet conditions for days. I do like the bag so far. It is lighter than my Antelope, stuffs a bit smaller and the 0 degree rating seems to be reasonable." "lighter", "smaller" and warm makes for the best sleeping bag. BTW, bag liners are available that can mitigate absorption of water vapor, body oils, dirt inside the bag as well as add a few degrees of temp rating. They are called vapor barriers. Out here, we call 'em "sheets".
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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy. Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
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Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.
Definitely!
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that's what the Nalgene is for
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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy. Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle. Who pees in their slippers?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy. Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle. Who pees in their slippers? Let's ask your wife...
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
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that's what the Nalgene is for I could never find one with a big enough opening.
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that's what the Nalgene is for more specifically, the Nalgene w/ the permanent marker skull and cross bones on it
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that's what the Nalgene is for I could never find one with a big enough opening. schiiiiit! 😂
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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy. Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle. Who pees in their slippers? Let's ask your wife... You should. I'd buy tickets to that.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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that's what the Nalgene is for I could never find one with a big enough opening. I have a plastic Folgers coffee can with a tight lid.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
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that's what the Nalgene is for I could never find one with a big enough opening. I have a plastic Folgers coffee can with a tight lid. 380 cup or 420 cup version?
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
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that's what the Nalgene is for I could never find one with a big enough opening. I have a plastic Folgers coffee can with a tight lid. Folgers, it's the best part of waking up.....
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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. Yeah, I tried a liner.....once. When it came time to pee in the middle of the night I thought I was gonna have to cut my way out of the friggin bag..........
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.
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that's what the Nalgene is for I could never find one with a big enough opening. OMG.... Yeah. Besides, I have to stand up to pee anyway--may as well go outside. Not only that I figure my partner might get a little nervous if I'm standing over him whilst peeing in the tent.....
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.
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Yeah, I'd be nervous too, my tent's not tall enough to stand in.....
But, that water resistant down bag really comes in handy when that happens.
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I've spent some miserable nights in a soaked down bag....but not in the treated "Superdown" KUIU 15*F bag I've had 5 years. Last year on a moose hunt we had a leaky (unknown to us) water jug in the tent. I was sleeping on the ground on a thin pad and woke up in puddle. I figured the down bag would be wet for a long time...but it was dry in few hrs of hanging up. Works very well and stuffs into a very small package. And their Superdown puffy jacket and pants are good too. I'm a believer in treated down...my Mt Hardware synthetic bag is reserved as a loaner for my nephew when he comes up to hunt with me,
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Gents, I happened to read this (below). Looks like down might be improved upon but no telling what the long term side effects of the treatment might do to you. https://www.gossamergear.com/products/thermarest-vesper-20f-quilt"900-fill Nikwax Hydrophobic Down™: Stays drier and maintains loft 60 times longer than untreated down."
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While not yet on Enlightened Equipment’s website yet, they are apparently dropping treated down: https://sectionhiker.com/enlightened-equipment-revelation-20-stock-quilt-review/Notice (November 2019): Enlightened Equipment is in the transition from using water-resistant down to untreated down. Their current stock inventory has 850 fill power Down-Tek down, while current 850 fill power and 950 fill power custom orders are getting untreated Sustainable Down Source (SDS) down. Here’s their rationale for the switch to untreated down in their own words: “While both down types have their pros and cons, ultimately the situations where treated down excels are infrequent. Treated down does perform well when submerged or exposed to extreme wetness, but in the most common encounters with wetness (condensation, damp footbox, wet spots, etc…), we’ve found that treated and untreated down quilts perform similarly. After lots of testing and experimentation, we’ve also noted increased loft, durability and comfort from our new untreated down quilts, and feel untreated down provides a more premium product for our customers. While treated down is quality down, we feel it’s beneficial elements are infrequently encountered, potentially overstated, and overshadowed by some of the aforementioned benefits provided by untreated down.”
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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