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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
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Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Hart makes a superb barrel. I own 9 of them, not one single complaint. I own quite a few shillen, Douglas, Krieger and 1 Criterion. The Hart barrels are by far the easiest to clean and get to shoot consistently.
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Hart makes a superb barrel. I own 9 of them, not one single complaint. I own quite a few shillen, Douglas, Krieger and 1 Criterion. The Hart barrels are by far the easiest to clean and get to shoot consistently. God damn right...
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I barely shoot though.... but when I do, I kill more, bigger, better critters than those that “shoot” all the time.... haha
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Have a couple of those Harts, one a 7-08 built on a SA 700 by Bobby Hart. It’s now in a Hunters Edge. It’s a keeper.
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i have had great luck with hart barrels maybe 5 or 6 barrels
I know Jim Borden and McWhorter use them a lot
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Yep, but there is something to be said for getting a barrel made and fitted at the same place. No blame game when things are wonky. I ordered a Bartlein last November and they trued the face of the receiver and bolt, screwed it together and it was sent to me in about 4 months. I didn't care because I had other things to play with. I couldn't be happier since that gun can now shoot 1/2" MOA.
Yeah, I understand that thought process too. I've had several put together by the barrel makers and have for the most part been happy. The big name gunsmiths are backed up a lot but I've been lucky to locate a couple that aren't as well known who do fantastic work without the backlogs and prefer to use them nowadays. I feel I get better quality from them than the barrel makers, I know they're running the lathe and the quality they'll put into the job where with the barrel maker it might be little Jimmy the apprentice that gets to experiment with my rifle that day. There are a surprising number of gunsmiths that cater to the benchrest and palma shooter crowd who aren't well known on the forums but will do work to a higher standard than most of the famous names and don't have the backlog of the famous guys. Those guys are out there but you have to search them out, they don't pop up in the advertisements like the big names everybody fawns over. I'll wait for quality if I have to but I much prefer to order the barrel, take it or send it to the gunsmith and get it back in a week or so. I'm not as patient as I used to be. This. I've had some bad experiences with "name" gunsmiths and barrel makers, and suspected that "Little Jimmy" was the culprit. In one case I was in the shop when I watched it happen, though not to my rifle. These folks are in business and time is money. If you think that Joe Sixpack is going to get the same level of attention on his once in a lifetime hunting rifle that a big name competitor or high roller gets, you are dreaming. Not a universal, some treat everybody the same, but this happens all too often, so buyer beware. Best to find a gunsmith you can trust and let him handle the whole projerct. Paul
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I recall reading a quote from a well known barrel maker from back in the day, name escapes me but maybe in Arizona, 1950s era, to the effect that not everybody deserved one of his barrels.
I believe that attitude still exists in certain circles.
Paul
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I've had quite a few Harts. Hart is my gunsmith's go to. Every one of them have been great. I've never had a "bad" custom barrel but have had a couple that were pretty picky. All barrel makers churn out some bad ones. Just like with competitive shooters, I would expect a complaint from a gunsmith that buys tons of barrels to carry more weight than a single purchase.
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In reading the posting on this subject, it occurred to me how lucky I must be. I currently have "hunting" rifles using barrels from Lilja, Hart and Shilen. All are stainless steel and one is even a stainless select. None of the rifle barrels I have are wonky, bad or suck. Lucky, maybe, having the right individual/company screwing the said barrel to the right action in a properly bedded stock, definitely contributes to a more precision rifle capable of generating smaller groups. I would think that some individuals might need to look in the mirror to find the problem instead of the name on the barrel. Consider the pot stirred.
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Just my experience, but, I really just want the barrel to be the contour and twist combo that I desire for a given project. Just lucky I guess that I've never had a "bad" barrel. Lilja, Krieger, Rock, Brux, Bartlein, and McGowan off the top of my head. The only "fussy" one of the bunch was the 1:8 Krieger in 223AI. No big deal but I had to hunt a little for powder to get the accuracy I wanted from 75gn A-max's. Everything else I was able to use my intended/pre-conceived powder/bullet combo to excellent results, which for me, is the whole reason behind a re-barrel in the 1st place.
On the rifles that get "hunted" the most I've got 2 Lija 3-groove. A #3 1:10 in 257Wby and a Kimber MT dupe in 1:8 270Win. 3rd is a button-rifled Rock in 1:8 22-250. They all work for their intended purpose.
I'm typically more time-bound by sourcing parts than anything else.
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Fresh from a sleep in the truck and a proof lite 9T in 7-08ai. My wife willing to sleep in the truck all night to shoot elk! I’m living well. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/g2R1MYN5/726-BCE3-B-2266-4-EB6-BD4-A-8059-D99-BFCC9.jpg)
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Congrats to your wife,FredIII. 
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Fresh from a sleep in the truck and a proof lite 9T in 7-08ai. My wife willing to sleep in the truck all night to shoot elk! I’m living well. 👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊 Congrats!!!!
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Congrats to your wife,FredIII. Fresh from a sleep in the truck and a proof lite 9T in 7-08ai. My wife willing to sleep in the truck all night to shoot elk! I’m living well. 👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊 Congrats!!!! Thanks 🤜🏻🤛🏻 Guys. Crew hung two yesterday. That’s 5 so far and I’ve been in on everyone at some level. should easily hit 7 this year out of 10 tags. Last five have the week to grind it out.
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The Big Squealer, I dig dig the fact, they make a couple "grades" of snouts..... Laughing
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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The Big Squealer, I dig dig the fact, they make a couple "grades" of snouts..... Laughing I’m sure elk is on the bucket list.
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The FIST family get’s another couple pelts..Nice job wife and Jeremy! 🤜🏼😎
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I've read a bunch of "which barrel" posts over the years, and I remember just about every one of the major names being praised and being ragged. Maybe Obermeyer hasn't been ragged.
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I've read a bunch of "which barrel" posts over the years, and I remember just about every one of the major names being praised and being ragged. Maybe Obermeyer hasn't been ragged. Wish I would have bought a pile while boots was healthy. Have three but wish it was 30
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