Home Forums Miscellaneous Topics Military Why I support President Bush

Its not so much that I support war but rather I believe in the very depths of my being that the terrorists are trying to or have succeeded in making weapons of all types in order to bring violence and death from the middle east to the United States.

I further believe that I would rather have my trained military do everything in its power (that is why we fund a military) to avert violence and death from happening to United States Citizens. If that means that the trained professional soldiers of the United States GO to ANOTHER COUNTRY to inflict violence and death THERE in order for violence and death not to happen HERE then I support that action.

I believe that Saddam Hussein has in the past and will (if given the opportunity) in the future supply weapons, logistics support, and intelligence to terrorist groups that wish to harm the United States. I also believe that given the opportunity Saddam Hussein would use those same devices himself.

I believe wholeheartedly that the United Nations is a farce. It has outlived its usefullnes as did the League of Nations and is totally irrelevant.

Yes, I support the concept of war with Iraq.

Why I don't.

Because our Republic was stolen from us. Because Americans a too ignorant to continue as a "free" society. Because the "threat" is manufactured. It dosen't exist, and never did. Because bankers are behind this, and every other "war" we ever let our boys die in. Because the French and Germans say "No" to supporting Bush is not a sign of weakness. It's just "good business" both Country's have long term oil Contracts with Iraq. What happens if the oil fields are burned or blown up? There goes the French and German economies. Where would they get their oil from???? (see guy in White House/Texas with connections to Big Oil! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) Cuz , for whatever you think of the Moslems as a people, as a business partner, there are few better. The deal in hard currency (gold) and they charge NO INTEREST. ( doesn't that give the BANKERS a reason to hate them?) Because this is "american imperialism" by the book and "W" prefers being a Monarch to a President.

Yes the old axiom is true, War IS the oldest business, and Bush is looking out for the interests of the Bankers and the One Worlders, has stripped American's of more rights than ANY president since FDR, and has sold the sovereignty of this nation down the tube.

And everyone of the pukes in Congress on the Right side of the aisle have marched in line for the party. Much to the joy of those on the Left.

Gee wasn't there some others from history that "marched in line for the 'Party'"

Bankers dropped bombs on Pearl?
Bankers dropped airplanes on the WTC?
Bankers invaded Poland?
Bankers invaded France?
Bankers got us involved in Korea?
Bankers got us involved in Vietnam?
Bankers got us involved in Panama?
Bankers got us involved in Somalia?
Bankers got us involved in Bosnia?


Jim

The choice was George Bush or Al Gore. Do you really believe Al Gore would have been the better choice? This ain't Utopia, it's the United States of America. Deal with it. A little pragmatism and hard work goes a lot farther than a lot of idealism and hot air. Life is a compromise and the definition of a compromise is something that no one is completely happy with. Am I completely happy with Bush? No. Do I think Al Gore would have been a better choice? No. It appears that whether you or I personally agree with it or not our nation may well be about to go to war. Now is not the time to go about waving out dirty underware around for all the world to see. Neither is it the time to undermine the confidence and faith of those who will be called upon to go forth and prosecute that war. We went through all that some 30 odd years ago and this country still hasn't recovered from it. We have become a society of cannibals who eat our parents and our children and our relatives and friends because they disagree with us. If you truely feel that our country is on the wrong track then put the blame squarely where it belongs. On those who expect and demand more and more from government and thus give it more and more power over our daily lives. Blame those who believe more in the power of the mob and imagery of the mass demonstration and yellow journalism than in the process of democratic politics. I was a small part of that previous experience and it left a lasting impression. To this day I very vividly remember walking through the airport in Oakland, CA to catch a more or less connecting flight on my way home and being spat on by citizens of the same nation whose constitution I had sworn an oath to defend and protect from all enemys foreign and domestic. That kind of personalized things and defined my opinions about people who would rather bluster and appeal to the mob to tear people down rather than to attempt to work within the proceedural structure and try to bring people together. It's not an exercise in philosophy anymore gentlemen. The iminent danger of war is real. Contrary to the sometimes popular belief, many of those our country is about to send into "harms way" to do war are some of our "best and brightest" and for the moment they deserve our full support. Whether you agree with our government or not, the members of our armed forces are going to do their duty to accomplish the mission given them and they will do it in your name and in the name of our country. Once the issue overseas is resolved and our troops come home safely there will be plenty of time to get our own house in order if you feel some house cleaning is needed. There'll be an election in about two years and if you work really hard maybe the beliefs and opinions some of you espouse will do better. Until then, deal with it.

Ram,

So you are a conspiricy theorist...............

Blaine

DITTO to Blaine's post. What gives RAM???

I'm staying out of this one......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I can't believe I'm even responding to such an ignorant post, but what the heck!

1.) No, as any idiot knows, "Bankers" didn't drop bombs on Pearl harbors. But the actions against us by Japan WERE finacially motivated.

2.) WTC ???? Didn't know that was a war??? I though that was an act of terrorism?

3.) and 4.) Are you refering to WWI and WWII or both WWII??? either way, Axis/Allied actions were purely monetarily driven.

5.) and 6.) Probably the two most financially driven "police actions" we ever had to finance.

7.) The Canal Zone, that's that little sleusesway so the Commercial vessels can go from Atlantic to Pacific w/o rounding the Cape right??? OH Yeah!!! There is NO financial interest there at all now is there???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

8.) You did see "Black Hawk Down" didn't you?

9.) Bosnia/Hertzacovina, Former USSR, political struggle to join EU, non acceptance of ED. Right again Oh wise one, no finacial interests there.

I didn't think anyone could make "the AlGore" seem inteligent. But you my friend have come really close with your naievetee'

Bit of a leap there isn't it Skid? I didn't even suggest that. But in retrospect, how much worse could ANY democrat have been????

Because "W" is a Republican, and Republicans control both houses, his actions are being questioned by no one. Result? Americans are losing their rights at an excellerated pace.

If one party did not control both houses and the Oval office there would be "grid lock" and your rights would erode more slowly. History repeats itself, look at the FDR era.

You seem to be taking the attitude of "when rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it"

If I'm going to be raped(of my rights) , I'ld rather fight.


I'm from Missouri. SHOW ME! This question came up in Barrak's threads also. Your talking in sound bites. Could someone provide tangible proof of the "iminent danger of war" This whole Iraqi thing is a big "Wag the dog"



And that mission is what? Do you, or ANY of those that will die know? They didn't know in Korea, Vietnam, Faulklands, Somalia, Bosnia.



C'mon, you and I both know our troops will NEVER come home. There will be "peace keeping" troops there for decades to come. Gotta keep that $$$ flowing, gotta keep that war machine chuggin'



And your point is what?? Shut up and sit in a corner and only show a desire for Freedom and Liberty every four years when the Government ALLOWS it???
Kinda supports my position that there is a problem doesn't it????

"We are the unwilling, led by the unqualified, to do the unnecessary for the ungrateful". Been there, done that. Have you?

Every day.

RAM

I posted originally in the spirit of positive thinking. I do support my president and this course of action. I posted why I do. I think I was polite to everyone and really did not see the cause for a bashing and name calling for this thread.

You really seem to have a bur under your saddle. Fine, go find the fellow that put it there and take it out on him.

And just as a side point. I think it is better support of the men and women in the Armed service at this time to say to them "I support you and wish you a safe and quick return and I also believe in the cause that you are being asked to perform." than it is to say "I support you but I think the cause is an immorall and unecessary thing to do."

Jim B

By the way for what its worth.

U.S. Army 1974 -1977
Finthen Army Airfield, Finthen Germany.

One man's conspiracy theorist is another man's historian. If you chose to attack an individule by hanging a name tag that is veiwed negatively by most lay people, rather than to prove untrue anything that I stated, so be it. Personally I expected something more profound from someone as learned as Blaine appeared to be.

Tell me. Do you think the founding fathers were mocked and called "conspiracy theorist" by the some of the colonists of the day? How wrong were the founding fathers?


Answer ONE question for me. The founders of this nation formed the nation as a Republic. Our Constitution guarentees "a Republican form of Government". Why do all the media, the Politicians, and the school systems keep calling/teaching America as a Democracy?

Don't give me that cop out Bullsh*t answer "We're both" because then I'll have to ask you to provide the proof, which you can not provide, for it doesn't exist.

A key point of the Nazi's gaining power and control was by including a common human frailty in thier platform. -If you repeat a lie often enough, eventually the people will believe it - Have not those in government here practiced the same game plan?

ANY one Nation can not have dual forms of government. And any society that believes otherwise is a nation of fools.

Where is our Republic and why have so many worked so hard to take it from us?

And I too.

Who do you think I "name called" or "Bashed"?

Do you take objection the correct usage of the words below ?
ignorant-
adjective;
Having no knowledge or awareness of something, or of things in general
idiot-
noun;
a very foolish person, esp. someone who has done something very stupid

Or was it the characterization between your statement and those by Al Gore that your taking offence to?

Well, let's see. I am a subject in a land where my god given rights as a sovereign native American have been stolen from me, replaced with the lesser corporate title of U.S. Citizen; the government takes more than half my earnings, quite literally at the point of a gun; Has done absolutely NOTHING to make anyone of us safer now than we were 17 months ago, but HAS stripped me further of the final threads of a free individule; and all indications are is that 10 years from now, today will be referred to "as the good old days"

If that is what you call a "Bur" yeah, I got one.

Skid.

You are right on here. I am a realist. Between Gore and Bush there was no choice. Bush was the only choice.

Thanks for the post.

RAM,

How was my post to you an attack? Maybe you can respond in kind to me and accuse me of being a Born-Again Christian. Boy, just think of how nasty an attack on me that would be, "hanging a name tag [on me] that is veiwed negatively by most lay people". Crud, you could even call me a gun owner or a WASP and jab even deeper. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

If you ascribe to Conspiricy Theory, then take courage and admit it instead of crying foul because you are afraid of how you might be perceived. I don't know about everyone else, but I respect a man with a dissenting opinion whom politely debates the issue and is honest about who he is. I can even be friends with such a man.

To set the record straight, I am about 90% in agreement with the Conspiricy Theorists. I especially like the book "Hope of the Wicked," and it's three levels of conspiricy. 1.) You have folks/groups who unbeknownst to each other are working toward the same goal and by coincidence, their activities are mutual beneficial to their respective causes. 2.) You have loose associations of people/groups who are aware of each other though connected directly. These folks/groups will ocassionally unite to further their cause. 3.) Then you have the folks/groups who are proactively working togther to futher their goals.

However, because I know who the ultimate forces are driving the conspiricy and how it all turns out, it is a non-issue for me. Further, I don't care what others may think of me because of the positions I take--even if it means I no longer appear "learned" to some. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Blaine

I say give 'im a break on this one, RAM. All he said was that the imminent danger of war is real. Unless somebody here thinks Bush is not prepared to spend American lives in Iraq, I think he (Skidrow) is right.

I think it is better support of the men and women in the Armed service at this time to say to them "I support you and wish you a safe and quick return and I also believe in the cause that you are being asked to perform." than it is to say "I support you but I think the cause is an immorall and unecessary thing to do."[/quote]
So you're...what? Suggesting that we lie?

Barak you should support our military personel 110%, to not do so is UnAmerican......