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I am not a fan of fast twist .22’s.. Anything I want to do, I can achieve with the old 1-14 or 1-12... But that said, I have the hots for a full length stocked rifle... Just saw a CZ with at that style stock and 1-9... My use for the rifle would be prairie dogs, gophers, etc... How accurate would it be with say a 40 gr. Vmax???? I had a 1-8 22-250 AI .. It shot 55’s great but I never checked the speed.. The only heavy bullet it was accurate with was 75 gr. Horn, but it ripped about 1/3 of these apart before they made it 100 yards.. I doubt this will be a problem with a .223, but will it deliver good accuracy with lighter bullets???? Thanks..


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Not an apples to apples answer for you but I have had Tikka T-3's in 223 with 1-8 twist, 1-10, and 1-12 twist. My bullet of choice in the 223 has been 40 gr Nosler BT first, and Hornady V-Max second, and I also have shot a few Sierra 50 and 55 gr bullets in them and accuracy was always sub-one inch 5 shot groups with any of those. Velocity on the 40's is right at 3750 - 3800 fps, I never chronographed the 50 and 55 gr since I don't normally shoot them. I would expect that you would be shooting them at about the same velocity so I don't see why you would have a bullet issue.

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WCH,

It will shoot those 40's just fine.


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I have a 1-9 CZ .223, it shoots 40 gr NBT's great. Shoots 65 gr Sierras too and lots in between. Buy it.


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I have several Remington 1-9's and they shoot anything between a 40-75 just fine. I also have a 1-12 Remington, and have only tried one heavy bullet in it, a 68 grain HP, and it did not shoot worth a dime.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
WCH,

It will shoot those 40's just fine.



Yep...

Just cause it will shoot heavy bullets doesn't mean it won't shoot light ones!


Ive killed a bazillion gophers and PDs with light bullets in fast twists...it works REALLY good!


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ever hear of the 53 V max ????????

9 T will shoot 40's up to 69's easily......and accurately


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Try some Fiocchi Extrema 40gr Vmax. My Ruger Hawkeye AW likes it pretty well, as did a Vanguard S2 1-12.

My son shot a chuck at 225 with it and it blew juice all over.

About $20 per 50 online.

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I have a m70 Coyote with a 9 twist bbl that has over 11,000 rounds down it, mostly 40 gr Vmax with 28 grains of H335 in Win brass.

I had it punched .223AI a couple years ago and it continues to shoot well with 40's right at 4,000 fps.

It will blow up some of the thinner jacketed bullets such as the Hornady 50 gr SX's and the Sierra 50 gr Blitz bullets.

The throat is cracked for 6" or so according to a local smith with a Hawkeye fwiw.


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Many thanks guys....


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WyoCoyoteHunter: Every time I get to thinkin I am the "smartest guy on the block" I prove to myself I AM NOT!
A few years ago I am minding my own business when a Remington 700 VTR (Varmint/Tactical/Rifle) comes along in caliber 223 Remington at a great price and I pick it up.
Unbeknownst to me this Remington 700 VTR in 223 Remington comes with an unmarked twist rate of 1 in 9 inches.
Oblivious and ignorant I proceed to mount a Leupold 3.5x10 variable on it and load up some Berger 40 Varmint type bullets.
It shot them rather well and I decided to see how well it would shoot the Berger 52 grain Varmint type bullets - it shot them even a "tad" better!
Anyway at about this time I get to talkin my Rifle up to a Varminting friend of mine and he relays to me that this Remington 700 VTR should not be shootin as well as it did with the small bullets I am using in it because of the 1 in 9 twist it has.
I questioned my friends contention and we adjourned to the Remington online catalog and sure enough it is twisted much faster than the dozen or so other Remington 700's in 223 Remington I own.
I say give those 40 grainers a try - they work for me (the Berger 40 grainers anyway).
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WYC,

To add a little more color, I have a light profile 16: 1/9 barrel that really likes benchmark behind the Nosler 40gr Hollow point flat base Varmadeggdons lit with the CCI 400.


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Thanks for all the info... Bought the CZ before we left for Montana... Today, I picked up 1000 Top Shot brass at Cabela’s.. Haven’t scoped it yet, but we will be home Tues or Wed... I will get a glass on it and give it a try.. Hope it shoots as good as it looks & feels.. Trigger seems good, the fit seems good, now if it just shoots.. I am sure it will with something.. We will know later next week.. Hope to get it up and running before we leave for our annual whitetail hunt a week from tomorrow.. Have a great weekend...


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WyoCoyoteHunter: Not to change the subject to drastically but do you have experience/confidence in/with the "Top Shot" brass?
I have been seeing it here and there but have not tried it yet.
Good luck.
Let us know how your new rig/ammo shoots.
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My Hawkeye with a 9 twist shoots 40 gr Nosler BTs extremely well.

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"Top Brass" is just once-fired (supposedly) military brass. I've seen it, but never checked to see if it was all matching headstamps. I wouldn't think it's anything special in any way.


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VG, I have used it in my new .223 the one before this, it shoots into about 1/2”. Good enough for gophers...

RR, I am not shooting benchrest this brass has been fine in a custom .223.. Maybe nothing special, but it saves me a lot of work when I can be shooting!!!!!


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If it works for you, then use it...I'd say it's working plenty good enough. It just seems like it could be hit-and-miss (pun intended), but maybe their sources keep things well sorted.

I was once given about 100 6mm Rem cases, all R-P headstamped. As you probably are aware, the headstamp style can be changed up from time to time, and I noticed that there were three different peoduction eras represented in this bucket of brass. I found that there was about a 20-grain spread in case weight across the whole batch and I think it's safe to assume case volume varied accordingly. That's one reason I am leary of brass of unknown origin.


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Shot the C Z today with 50 gr. Vmax and H4895.. After getting it shot in, I shot just two 3 shot groups.. One was about an inch.. But my goldens were walking around in the truck and made shooting a bit tough.. I did some shooting with another rifle, and before leaving tired another 3 shot group from the CZ.. The dogs were in the sage chewing on a bone, so it was a bit easier.. Three 50 gr. Vmax went in to about 5/8 or 1/2 inch.. Good enough for now.. I didn't buy this one for high volume shooting, but mostly for truck carry or night hunting if I get the chance in Texas this spring.. Also, I just wanted a full length wood stock. I am well pleased... It does feed a bit rough other wise it seems like a good rifle... Thanks for the info...


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Originally Posted by tikkanut


ever hear of the 53 V max ????????

9 T will shoot 40's up to 69's easily......and accurately


Mine shoots light bullets very well. It also shoots 73gr ELD match bullets very well... 1 in 9 works great in the ol .223 rem. I prefer 1 in 8, but sometimes "beggars can't be choosers"...
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