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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: 79inpa] #14238322 10/29/19
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When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy.


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: Edwin264] #14238899 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by Edwin264
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Interesting what WM has to say about treated down......

"... Although I've used the bag, I have not really been in the kind of weather to make a determination as to how effective it will be in extremely wet conditions for days.
I do like the bag so far. It is lighter than my Antelope, stuffs a bit smaller and the 0 degree rating seems to be reasonable."




"lighter", "smaller" and warm makes for the best sleeping bag.

BTW, bag liners are available that can mitigate absorption of water vapor, body oils, dirt inside the bag as well as add a few degrees of temp rating.


They are called vapor barriers.



Out here, we call 'em "sheets".


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: Rock Chuck] #14238907 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy.




Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: SheriffJoe] #14239076 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe




Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.


Definitely!

Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: 79inpa] #14239565 10/29/19
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that's what the Nalgene is for

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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: SheriffJoe] #14239643 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy.

Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.

Who pees in their slippers?


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: ironbender] #14239811 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by SheriffJoe
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy.

Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.

Who pees in their slippers?




Let's ask your wife...


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: ribka] #14240044 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by ribka
that's what the Nalgene is for


I could never find one with a big enough opening.



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Originally Posted by ribka
that's what the Nalgene is for


more specifically, the Nalgene w/ the permanent marker skull and cross bones on it laugh

Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: smokepole] #14240258 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ribka
that's what the Nalgene is for


I could never find one with a big enough opening.



schiiiiit!
😂

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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: SheriffJoe] #14240391 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of. That's one reason I love my quilt. It's warm, comfortable, and easy to get out of if needed. Taking a set of long underwear solely for sleeping will keep the bag clean and egress easy.

Instead of taking slippers for late night excursions in windy, snowy, cold-ass environments...take a pee bottle.

Who pees in their slippers?

Let's ask your wife...

You should. I'd buy tickets to that. wink


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: smokepole] #14240656 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by smokepole
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that's what the Nalgene is for


I could never find one with a big enough opening.
I have a plastic Folgers coffee can with a tight lid.


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: Rock Chuck] #14240753 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ribka
that's what the Nalgene is for


I could never find one with a big enough opening.
I have a plastic Folgers coffee can with a tight lid.



380 cup or 420 cup version?


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: Rock Chuck] #14240769 10/29/19
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ribka
that's what the Nalgene is for


I could never find one with a big enough opening.
I have a plastic Folgers coffee can with a tight lid.


Folgers, it's the best part of waking up.....



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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: Rock Chuck] #14253181 11/03/19
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
When you get to the age where a couple midnight pee calls are needed, those bag liners can be a real pain to get out of.


Yeah, I tried a liner.....once. When it came time to pee in the middle of the night I thought I was gonna have to cut my way out of the friggin bag..........


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: smokepole] #14253191 11/03/19
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ribka
that's what the Nalgene is for


I could never find one with a big enough opening.


OMG.... whistle


Yeah. Besides, I have to stand up to pee anyway--may as well go outside. Not only that I figure my partner might get a little nervous if I'm standing over him whilst peeing in the tent.....


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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: 79inpa] #14253454 11/03/19
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Yeah, I'd be nervous too, my tent's not tall enough to stand in.....

But, that water resistant down bag really comes in handy when that happens.



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Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: 79inpa] #14254511 11/04/19
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I've spent some miserable nights in a soaked down bag....but not in the treated "Superdown" KUIU 15*F bag I've had 5 years. Last year on a moose hunt we had a leaky (unknown to us) water jug in the tent. I was sleeping on the ground on a thin pad and woke up in puddle. I figured the down bag would be wet for a long time...but it was dry in few hrs of hanging up. Works very well and stuffs into a very small package. And their Superdown puffy jacket and pants are good too. I'm a believer in treated down...my Mt Hardware synthetic bag is reserved as a loaner for my nephew when he comes up to hunt with me,

Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: Brad] #14255753 11/04/19
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Gents,

I happened to read this (below). Looks like down might be improved upon but no telling what the long term side effects of the treatment might do to you.
https://www.gossamergear.com/products/thermarest-vesper-20f-quilt

"900-fill Nikwax Hydrophobic Down™: Stays drier and maintains loft 60 times longer than untreated down."

Re: water resistant down sleeping bags....sleeping bags/price [Re: 79inpa] #14326901 11/30/19
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While not yet on Enlightened Equipment’s website yet, they are apparently dropping treated down:

https://sectionhiker.com/enlightened-equipment-revelation-20-stock-quilt-review/


Notice (November 2019): Enlightened Equipment is in the transition from using water-resistant down to untreated down. Their current stock inventory has 850 fill power Down-Tek down, while current 850 fill power and 950 fill power custom orders are getting untreated Sustainable Down Source (SDS) down. Here’s their rationale for the switch to untreated down in their own words: “While both down types have their pros and cons, ultimately the situations where treated down excels are infrequent. Treated down does perform well when submerged or exposed to extreme wetness, but in the most common encounters with wetness (condensation, damp footbox, wet spots, etc…), we’ve found that treated and untreated down quilts perform similarly. After lots of testing and experimentation, we’ve also noted increased loft, durability and comfort from our new untreated down quilts, and feel untreated down provides a more premium product for our customers. While treated down is quality down, we feel it’s beneficial elements are infrequently encountered, potentially overstated, and overshadowed by some of the aforementioned benefits provided by untreated down.”


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