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Krieghoff "TRUMPF" vs JP Sauer & Sohn 3000 #14258848 11/06/19
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Hello Fellas. I joined 24HCF specifically to ask this question so I am hoping folks with more knowledge then me can help me out. I am not ignorant to drillings but I have limited knowledge. I spent 3 years in Germany and did get my hunting lic. Made very good friends with a state forestmaster and hunted alot when I was not deployed to Bosnia. I had many drillings in my hands. Unfortunetly, due to foolishness, limited funds and a somewhat uncooperative X, I failed to bring home a drilling. (did manage to secure a fantastic Blaser single barrel and a Sauer 202 bolt). I have now corrected the funding and the X sadly corrected herself. I figure 2 out of three is not bad so I am going to attempt 25 years later to get a drilling I have always dreamed of. I am currently looking at the Krieghoff and the Sauer. Both are available in what appears to be similar age, condition and money. I am going to hunt some with the gun. Which is the better choice in your opinions? Thank you greatly.

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I have a JP Sauer from the 1960's that is a dream to shoot and is very accurate. I also have a older 1926 drilling that is great but it has only the retailers name on it and I've never pursued finding out who built it. It looks like Krieghoff will command a higher price for equal quality, just for their name. If you can handle them I'd take the one that feels best in your hands.

I was at the Franconia store in Nuremburg and they had some beautiful drillings in very desirable caliber for insanely low prices, being a tourist I had no idea how I could get it home. I did pick up some accoutrements, slings, muzzle covers, and dog leads(schutzen)


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If the Kreighoff has the safety on the tang and not on the side (Greener side safety) I'd buy the Kreighoff, hands down. While I love my various Sauers, the Kreighoff is a much stronger gun and can accept higher pressure insert barrel calibers. For instance a 7X65R drilling could have a full length einstecklauf added to make it a double rifle drilling where that might be an advantage. You could also make it a bock drilling type gun with the shot barrel, the HP rifle barrel, and a 22 hornet or similar in the other shot barrel.

The Sauers aren't sufficiently strong for a second barrel insert like the 7X65R or similar, but they will stand up fine to a 22 hornet or similar round. The Fortuna drilling I have, built on a Merkel/Simson receiver, is stout enough to take the HP round insert. The gun weighs more; that's the trade off.




Fortuna 16 ga 2 3/4" and 7X57R with Greener side safety
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Sauer 16 ga 2 3/4" and 6.5X57R with the lighter slimmer Sauer type receiver
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Kreighoff Trumpf has stout receiver, top tang rifle cocker/de-cocker, and safety to the left on top next to the cocker
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Just as a test to my learning curve......what do you all think of this GB Listing 838097139. Merkel Suhn Drilling 12ga 30-06 22 Mag Insert
Rifle w/ Khales Helia 8x Claw Mount Scope

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It's not a bad buy at the starting price, being a more modern 12ga and '06. The scope is the bugaboo. It's a big heavy 8 power and no doubt has a 3-post reticle. It would be a project to replace. The wood is a little suspect. It looks porous behind the receiver in the left cheek.

The Kreighoff einstecklauf is a good one, and it's probably regulated already, as well as the fact it's installed. These aren't a walk in the park to properly install and regulate.

If the scope isn't a big issue, I think it's one of the few drillings on GB or GI that's worth the money. Bear in mind it is an earlier type post war gun with a Greener safety, and probably tips the scale at 10 pounds.

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Personally, find that 16 ga barrels on the top make for a much nicer handling drilling, there is very little that 12ga can do that a 16ga can do as well if not better just do to the weight and handling of the drilling. As far as the rifle barrel for my first one I'd look for something in a rimmed cartridge, break open rifles and rimmed cartridges are made for each other. There is a good selection of very capable rimmed cartridges available at reasonable prices from S&B and PPV. 6.5x57R, 7x57R, 7x65R, 8x57, 9.3x72R and for a biggy the 9.3x74R(375 H&H class) There are a number of oddballs from Europe while great cartridge they can be a little harder to feed. I have a svelte little drilling in 16ga/16ga/6.5x58R Sauer that brass is hard to come by and the groove diameter is halfway between .257 and .264 that I have to swage .264's down to .260. It is very accurate and is a pleasure to hunt with.

My 16ga/16ga/7x57R Sauer drilling with the original 6x48mm scope in claw mounts. It would be a great rig for shooting from a box blind and pop the scope off to hunt on the way back to the truck.
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I made a set of claw mount rings to mount a low power scope that fits my style of hunting much better(still hunting in the forests). Now it is a fast handling weapon, much like a DGR with fast target acquisition.
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My coyote hunting drilling again with a low mounted low power scope, it came with a Hensoldt 4x36m in high claw rings. 16ga/16ga/6.5x58R Sauer
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Thank you erich. You have caused me to give consideration to the possibility that the 16 maybe more of an advantage then the 12. I have several "long barrel" magnum Weatherby rifles that shoot like lasers from a rest but nothing downs game as well or acts as an extention of mybody then my two shortest rifles. My Blaser (308) and HS Precision (300WSM), both 20", never miss, even when I do a kabookie dance in a climber 30 feet in the air to get a shot. Im thinking 16 may indeed be the way to go.

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Spot on, erich. I've never felt under gunned with my post war 16 gauge guns. I don't drag a drilling through the wet and mud of a duck blind, and that's the only place they might be at a real world disadvantage.

I'll always be envious of that sweet handling little 6.5X58R drilling of yours. There is also the satisfaction you must feel in tailoring special ammo for it. I also envy anyone with the patience and talent to carve out a set of claw rings. It sure trimmed down the 7X57R drilling and made it a far better out-west hunting gun...more mobile.


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