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A model 70 in 280 AI will be a nice rifle.
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I’ve killed a few elk with a few different rifles/cartridges, .270, 7x57, 7mm Mag, 30-06, 338-06 and .338 Win Mag. I’m no doubt “old school” but a Winchester M-70 Featherweight in 30-06 would be tough to beat. My favorite bullet is the discontinued Hornady 190 gr. BTSP, however about any 165-180 gr. bullet will do. Plenty of ammunition anywhere you go and plenty of rifle if you’re in bear country.
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I’m liking the looks of that AALF, specs? No idea, I stole the pic off the innerweb.....ha ha, as I didn't have a pic of mine. Mine's a 700 S/S 700, 21" Rock #3, McMillan Classic in 50/50 orange/black, with a 3.5-10 CDS Leupold in Talleys on top. It's my "big gun" now.......
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I’m liking the looks of that AALF, specs? No idea, I stole the pic off the innerweb.....ha ha, as I didn't have a pic of mine. Mine's a 700 S/S 700, 21" Rock #3, McMillan Classic in 50/50 orange/black, with a 3.5-10 CDS Leupold in Talleys on top. It's my "big gun" now....... Ha, aalf, I thought maybe you had converted to the dark side with walnut and blued steel..... no such luck
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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.280 or a 7 mag. 7x57 ain’t bad too.
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Ah yes, the perennial “perfect elk cartridge.”
Whatver you’re truly comfortable with, ego and internet pressure aside, is the “perfect elk cartridge.”
Cartridges are more alike than different...
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I have killed elk personally with 270 Winchester, 270 Short Mag. 7X57, 7MM Rem Mag, 300 Savage 308 Winchester, 30-06 300 H&H 300 Win mag, 308 Norma Mag, 30-387 Weatherby, 8X57, 338-06, 338 Win Mag, 9.3X74R, 375H&H , 416 Taylor, 44 Mag hand guns, 454 Casull handgun, 62 Cal Flintlock, a wood arrow from a long bow .... and I probably missed 1 or 2 from this list. I have killed them for over 1/2 a century in 6 different states.
In addition to the ones listed above I have seen them killed with the following when hunting with friends, and in guiding elk hunters.
243, 257 Roberts, 25-06, 6.5X55 , 260 Remington, 6.5 CM, 270 Weatherby Mag, 7-08, 280, 7MM Weatherby Mag, 30-30, 30-40 Krag, 300 Ultra Mag, 325 Short Mag, 8MM Rem Mag, 338 Federal, 340 Weatherby, 338 Lapua 358 Win, 9.3X62, 9.3X57, 416 Remington, 416 Rigby, 458 Winchester, 50-90 Sharps, 577 Enfield 50 cal muzzleloaders, 53 cal muzzleloaders 58 cal muzzleloaders, 8 bore muzzleloader, about 35 killed with compound bows and modern arrows, and again I am sure I am missing a few here too.
What's the near perfect caliber?
What ever the near perfect hunter is using.
It's not about the shell or caliber.
The one factor that is the most important in the area of hardware is the bullet, ( the best ones expand well and go clear through and exit in a relatively straight line 100% of the time) but the #1 MOST IMPORTANT factor ABOVE ALL ELSE is the hunter and his skills. Hardware is a small percentage of the equation and the hunter is the big percentage of that same equation.
Skill in hunting and shooting trumps hardware every time.
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Ah yes, the perennial “perfect elk cartridge.”
Whatver you’re truly comfortable with, ego and internet pressure aside, is the “perfect elk cartridge.”
Cartridges are more alike than different... Yes...
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Ha, aalf, I thought maybe you had converted to the dark side with walnut and blued steel..... no such luck Sorry to lead you guys on like that..............OK, not really....... 
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I rather like my 280ai on a M70. It wont do anything a 30-06 or 270 wont though.
A 338-06 with 250 scenars would be interesting. Might get 2500? 9.3x62 with 250's as well. Both are a step up in thump. At least on your end. Lol.
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Some of the Elk hunters that I know in MT have gone to the 9.3 s . A better thump factor. The 270 with 150 grain bullets has killed all of the elk a friend has taken for the past
40 or so years. Much of the time it is the man not the rifle.
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Some of the Elk hunters that I know in MT have gone to the 9.3 s . I live in Montana and have never, ever, met anyone using a 9.3.
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I’m not sure about 6.5x55 on elk.
So, let’s talk caliber....right now, I’m thinking 6.5X55, 6.5-06, 270 Win, 280 AI, or 30’06 AI.
So what should I be thinking?
You're just fine with your 6.5x55 Sweede, or any of your other choices. My last 5 Rocky Mountain bulls were all killed with my 6.5X284, which produces similar ballistics, from ~100 to right at 600 yards. I've used both the 140 berger hunting and the 140 AMAX, and am going to go to the 147 ELDM next. I had some bad experiences with the berger, but there's been no issues with the size of the cartridge.
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Some of the Elk hunters that I know in MT have gone to the 9.3 s . I live in Montana and have never, ever, met anyone using a 9.3. Some of the Elk hunters that I know in MT have gone to the 9.3 s . I live in Montana and have never, ever, met anyone using a 9.3. Haha I just peed!!! 😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win.
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The first elk of the year, damage cow tag back in February, I ghosted with my 6ai and a 80 bt... haha
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Some of the Elk hunters that I know in MT have gone to the 9.3 s . A better thump factor. The 270 with 150 grain bullets has killed all of the elk a friend has taken for the past
40 or so years. Much of the time it is the man not the rifle. I don’t even know anybody with a 9.3!! Haha
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I have carried my 9.3X62 the last few days.... no elk have volunteered to be victims though..... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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[a Winchester M-70 Featherweight in 30-06 would be tough to beat. I shot my first cow elk with a Fwt that was rebarreled with a 23" Douglas #3 in 30-06. She was running at 135 steps and the rifle was "perfect" in my hands! I was using the old Hornady Light Magnum with Hornady 180sp. It had a Leupold 2x7, scope was on 5x. I gave that rifle to my missionary friend in South Africa with the Federal High Energy 180 partition loads. He killed every PG, including Cape Eland with it! With these newer powders, you can give those two loads a run for their money! Put a 168 TTSX in it and out do both of them on game! So...I have to agree that the Fwt to beat!
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That looks good. How about some details. I’ve read that the 30-06 AI doesn’t add enough to justify the exercise. How about the std 338-06 vs the AI version. Is it worth the effort?. Also what bullets and loads do you like? DF
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